Now this is peculiar...


#1

The following airshow team’s website gives the “N#” of one of their CF-104s as N104RB:

starfighters.net/Aircraft_Home.html

However, when attempting to catch up with it in FlightAware:

flightaware.com/live/flight/N104RB

it presents itself as an entirely different acft altogether to include some very “unimpressive” x-cntry numbers to boot…

Now, as an AD type, I’m familiar with, how should I say, “callsign assumption” techniques but I’ve never seen it on the civ side…

Any takers?


#2

Could it be a typo on the website?

Above link takes me to a Cessna 310.

Allen


#3

Might be a typo but I’m guessing not…each of their acft follow the same “104” convention. However, it could still be one letter off or so…


#4

We’ve never seen any aircraft with type ‘F104’. They may be blocked or flying VFR.


#5

so who has the wrong callsign I wonder…did the team type it incorrectly on their site or did the C-301 callsign get entered wrong in the system?

who know…thanks for the reply :wink:


#6

Mark,

I think I may see JackmanHL’s question.

Just curious, why does the tail number page show a Cessna 310/G at the top of flightaware.com/resources/registration/N104RB (linked from the above tail number details) it shows an experimental 1962 LOCKHEED CF104D?

Allen


#7

War Bird Registry for N104RB’s history.
War Bird Registry to look up all private F-104’s
FAA Registry for N104RB the first N104RB F-104 was destroyed in a crash Photo 1978, and current N104RB Photos noting the photo dates, clearly the C310 is a misfiled registration and/or type on a flight plan.


#8

The registration page shows what’s on the FAA registration.
The flight page shows what the flight plan filer or ATC entered in the flight plan.
Could have been a typo for the tail number or aircraft type.


#9

interesting indeed…thanks for the replies…


#10

Robert,

We file under numerous military type callsigns, but never use serial#s or N numbers.

For security we do not disclose what the callsigns are/were.

Bloke

Mike “Bloke” Robinson
Starfighters, Inc.
F-104 Demo Team

Mike@Starfighters.net


#11

Which are the ex- Westinghouse F104’s that were based at Mojave???

I recall there were 3 of them, and back in 1998 all 3 were for sale for 50 Grand USD each. Just wondering if these are the same aircraft, the colors look very familiar.


#12

That Robbreid is a pit bull when it comes to chasing down details…hats off to him.


#13

So who’s using your “N#?!” Fascinanting indeed!


#14

I’d suspect nobody since there is no continuous flight history under the tail number.

As indicated earlier in the thread, everything is pointing to a typographical error when it was entered in the flight plan by the pilot or the ATC controller when receiving the IFR clearance.

Allen


#15

Here is what I find fascinating, on the War Bird Registry, I clicked on each known where-abouts of F-104’s and came across this one.

warbirdregistry.org/jetregis … 12652.html

First it states it is in Toronto, well I live here, and I never heard of an F-104 on display??? So I googled the address, a Military College, again, I never heard of??? So, I googled - google earth…and this F-104 is a 15 minute walk from my house???

Guess I’ll find out how the security is at a Canadian Forces Staff College!!!


#16

Excellent Sleuthing!


#17

They don’t list mine either!

http://www.airvictorymuseum.com/assets/images/F104_Front.jpg