RJ's taking over


#1

Would you say that RJ’s are taking over the skys??


#2

Where’ve ya been for the last 8 years?? Of course they have, at least everywhere east of the Mississippi River!! I can’t speak for the west as much, but I’m sure there’s quite the RJ presence out there as well!!


#3

Do you think that you will see larger planes fade away? Until there only used for cargo and international flights??


#4

No, if fares stay in the ballpark that they’re in now, air travel will continue to increase as it did in the '90s, and there will be a demand for larger jets to cover busy routes, as well as transcons. There will always be a place for the big boys, just how much of a place remains to be seen.


#5

There are a lot of RJ’s in Canada atleast. They are run by Air Canada Jazz. They usually are flown into smaller destinations. They are a very good looking plane.


#6

I know at least rjs have taken over at BNA, between US Airways Express, United Express, ASA, COMAIR, American Eagle, NW Express, Air Canada Jazz. About all the regular service we have is WN, FR to Cancun and Denver, American Mainline to LAX, MIA, DFW, ORD, LGA. Delta to ATL, US to CLT, and thats about it.


#7

A lot of the smaller airports use them. Like my home airport KDAY. A lot of smaller jets from American Eagle and Comair.


#8

You are kidding me!! I’m flying into DAY. What should I look for while I’m there. Also which sides (left, right) of the airplane should I be on while landing on rwys 6-24 and 18-36? Also please add anything I’d like to know about DAY. Thank you A LOT!

Here’s a piece of trivia for you. A member of the Gang of Eight, me CCX, left on vacation the very same day you joined FA! Man, dami and pik are gonna like that one. :smiling_imp:


#9

Well it depends what the active is that day. They tend to depart and land from 6R, 6L, and 36 in the mornings. Later on, they use 24R and 24L and 18. Plane size will determine what runway you land on. 6L 24R is the largest runway at the airport. They fly right over my house when they are on final for 24R. Most likely if your flying in an RJ or something small like that, it will probably be 24L or 18. If its an Airbus or 737, 24R. If you are flying your private plane, Wright Brothers Aero is a great FBO!

As far as things to do, I would check out the USAF museum. It’s just right by the AF base. Probably the best thing to do around here. Not much else. Welcome to Ohio!

Hope this answered some of your questions. When will you be flying in?


#10

Hey Guys, I spent the last 4 years flying RJ’s all over the Eastern half of the country and the trend seems to be for the 50 seaters to start disappearing over the next several years. The larger “regional” jet…whatever regional means anymore…seem to be growing while the smaller ones get parked. For instance, many CL65’s are finding their way to the desert while the larger 70 - 90 seat jets are coming into service. The EMB 170 seems to be quite popular among the flying public. The smaller RJ’s just aren’t all that cost effective for the mainline carriers that they ultimately serve (either through contract carriers or wholly owned carriers). You’ll see them slowly go away as the larger planes come on line. Just for the record, the guys who fly them are the most underpaid and unappreciated people in the sky in my opinion…if you fly on one of those RJ’s…stick your head in the cockpit and thank them for the flight.


#11

Yeah, I was messing around on this site that shows the pay for the pilots of each airline. Right under the pay tables, there is a “Pay Calculator” put in the credit time and things like that and that’s what the average monthly pay is. Here is the American Eagle pay charts.
airlinepilotcentral.com/airl … eagle.html


#12

Most pilots who fly for the “regionals” are fairly new to the industry. If they want high pay, then they need to wait until they have more experience.

Why is it that everyone expects to be making the big bucks as soon as they are out of college? Yes, I know that pilot training is expensive. But, I also know - or, at least, am pretty sure - that no one was forced to be a pilot knowing that the initial pay will be low.


#13

Yeah that is a downside of flying. But if you look at a United 747 FO, over three years they get a $50 pay jump per hour. Might just have to put up with it for the first few years!


#14

Or go to Hong Kong or the Middle East. :wink:


#15

You’ve got to be kidding me…“why does everyone expect to make the big bucks right out of college?” I hold two degrees and have worked my tail off for years in the aviation industry to make $38K flying a regional jet. Maybe that means nothing to you…how about the guys I flew with who had 17000 flight hours and have been furloughed multiple times and now find themselves right next to me in the RJ? Just a bad break maybe? Then how do you explain the well educated great pilots who have been stuck there 10 years and haven’t been able to move on to UAL, AAL, UPS, FEDEX, SWA etc? Just a bunch of losers maybe? Every great pilot with a wonderful background and fantastic personality gets hired into those airlines eventually…right? I get so frustrated communicating with people who aren’t in the industry who think they have the answers. This is a VERY low paying industry compared to what it once was. We work longer hours (no a 16 hour duty day isn’t at all unusual), get less pay and have a bleak future. Those 10 year guys make less than 80K for their efforts. The guys with 17000 hours make 60K after all their furloughs. I can’t beleive they expected more right out of college…do you?


#16

Reread the last part of my statement. No one is being forced to be a pilot. Yes, I know it’s their dream to do so but if they don’t like the money, then work elsewhere.

Yes, I know that 16 hours days are not uncommon. However, you neglect to mention the number of days a month that are actually worked. Because I’m not in the industry, evidently I cannot read about it. But if I could (and I have), I know that pilots are limited to the number of hours they can fly per month. I also know that the flight hours do not include additional time before and after the flight. However, this still adds up to working less than 22 days a month (the average number of days that the 9-5ers work). In fact, my research, based upon forums aimed for and operated by pilots, indicate the average days off per month is 12 to 14.

Additionally, there are the non-monetary benefits to be considered. The two I consider to be the best benefits are free (or drastically reduced cost) travel and the pleasure to know that you are doing what you want to do and aren’t stuck in a boring job.

{Edited}One other thing that should be done for pilots to be promoted easier is to eliminate or at least rely on less the seniority scam. Just because John Doe has been flying for 10 years for an airline does not necessarily mean he is a better pilot than Joe Blow who has flown only 6 years for the same airline. {/edited}


#17

There are way too many qulaified and over-qualified pilots out of work and that is sad; but if the airlines are offering FO positions for 22k a year and the 22 year old pilots with a 4yr degree, 1000TT and 100multi are lining up around the block, strictly as a business they don’d need to offer more. There is no shortage butts to put in the right seat, and they know it.
Only a serious restructuring of the airline industry can curtail the current trends. Passengers are more less likely to choose an airline “brand” than to just book the cheapest damn flight they can find, and the airlines drop prices and overhead to compete.
I don’t work for an airline, but I do get paid regional airline FO pay. That said, you’re right Dami, with my schedule of 6/4 I usually have 12 days scheduled off each month. Most months I will have more days off than that, where I was scheduled to work but wasnt called out.


#18

It’s unfortunate, but that is what happens when there is too much supply for a certain job, and not enough demand. As other have said, there is no incentive by the already cash-strapped airlines to pay more, as there is already enough lining up for the jobs even with the crap money they get already.

Capitalism, it’s a bitch.


#19

It’s sad and nobody wants to admit it. There are lots of pilots who got into the industry prior to Sept 11 who never would have made this career choice knowing what they know now. I left it two months ago to drive a truck…I get paid the same but see my wife and kids every night and I have 12 years of Part 121 flying under my belt (I was furloughed from a name brand major and flowed back to an RJ carrier). Not everyone in the cockpit of an RJ is a 22 year old kid who is willingly working for peanuts…I’m 48. I even know an Top Gun Instructor who flies an RJ for lousy pay. Think before you speak kids. You are right though Newark…Capitalism is a bitch. Another great industry down the tubes.


#20

I think it will begin an upswing in the next decade or so. Hopefully airlines start getting their financial situations straightened out, and less people take the pilot career path due to the current condition. We can only hope.