Just read the Alitalia post, and quite shocked with that, i’ve heard they can interfere with the electronics on board, but errrr how can they shut the fuel off from the engines?
With most new engines, and almost all turbines, having FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) controls nowadays the concern for spurious electronic emissions causing engine or aircraft control errors is widely prevalent.
The failure of BA flight 38’s engines to respond to pilot input while landing at Heathrow back in January was initially blamed by the tabloids on interference from a cell phone.
The current steady stream of hyperbolic conjecture on the part of the press to blame handheld electronic devices for aircraft control problems sells a lot of newspapers.
Personally I feel that if there’s any truth to the theory that a low wattage cell phone or Bluetooth device can disrupt an aircraft’s flight or engine controls that should be sufficient cause to condemn said aircraft. There are natural sources of EMI that are far stronger than cell phones or laptops.
People can be so quick to blame PEDs/computers, etc…(we’ve had this discussion on this board before…) and this is a perfect example of faulty aircraft equipment being the cause. Flying machines are not, and never will be, devoid of problems or the potential of.
“About two minutes after the initial fault, (the air data inertial reference unit) generated very high, random and incorrect values for the aircraft’s angle of attack,” the ATSB said in a statement.
“These very high, random and incorrect values of the angle attack led to the flight control computers commanding a nose-down aircraft movement, which resulted in the aircraft pitching down to a maximum of about 8.5 degrees.”
So just another Airbus software error, nothing to do with consumer electronics. Don’t hold your breath for a retraction in the press though
edited to add: I now learn it was an ADIRU failure, and since this has also happened to a MH 777, I withdraw my Airbus slur
With most new engines, and almost all turbines, having FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) controls nowadays the concern for spurious electronic emissions causing engine or aircraft control errors is widely prevalent.
Yes but the flight was on a 767, correct me if i’m wrong but 767’s do not have FADEC
That quoted text was originally posted by me and the full sentence is:
With most new engines, and almost all turbines, having FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine Control) controls nowadays the concern for spurious electronic emissions causing engine or aircraft control errors is widely prevalent.
How is that statement not true Mark? I read every week in Aviation Week about how far manufacturers are going to harden their solid state engine and flight control systems against stray EMI. I’m not referring to cell phone or laptop emissions.
I would hope the manufacturers are concerned about EMI and continue work on ways to prevent their systems from being affected. As with many other things in life, there is always room for improvement. The manufacturers showing concern for EMI is just one example of them working to improve systems.
I didn’t RTFQ (quote)… My apologies to 767nutter in mis-identifying the quote origin.
James… Due to the subject of the OP, I read into your statement as being directed toward PEDs, laptops, etc… After slowing down to comprehend your remarks, I agree that the concern of extraneous EMI/RFI is far greater than that of PEDs. Although, labeling these occurrences as “prevalent” might be a little strong IMHO.
Poorly worded sentence on my part I guess. It’s the concern that’s prevalent (e.g., widely held) not the occurrences.
Every engineer I speak to that’s involved with these systems will ultimately mention, if only in passing, that they’re not worried so much about generating bug-free code, they worry about outside influences causing hiccups in the engine or flight controls.
Yeah, and then you give up trying to remember what it was, so you go back to where you were and doing what you were doing before - and THEN you remember what it was!!! Then you gotta go back to the other room again, and HOPEFULLY still remember what it was when you get there!