COA88 PEK-EWR shows Arrived, but flight time 5hrs shorter?


#1

Hello,

Continental 88 from Beijing to Newark shows as Arrived, with a total time of 7:01 in the air instead of the usual 12+ hrs:

flightaware.com/live/flight/COA8 … /ZBAA/KEWR

Any insight? Unless it went supersonic, something seems off. Hasn’t diverted, as far as I can see.


#2

Anchorage Center sent us an arrival, probably a US-Canada-US handoff issue.


#3

Thanks! Just realized I’d joined this site 5 years ago, yesterday. I need to post more…


#4

I was going to start a new thread but I found this one, so I’ll post my question regarding this flight

PEK - EWR (6831 NM according to Great Circle Maker) is weight restricted 90% of the time, Why? I had a buddy nonreving and I had spoken to load planning and they did not see any placards or helds for this flight. They usually let the flight go with 15+ open seats. Does it have anything to do with runway construction or length? We do get a Weight Restriction warning when listing for this segment.

PVG - EWR (7384 according to Great Circle Maker) is NOT weight restricted.


#5

I spent a few minutes on the site trying to get it to display anything about weight restrictions. I couldn’t find it.

Near the very bottom of the GCM is this: “Information on this site may not be accurate or current and is not valid for flight planning or navigation. No warranty of fitness for any purpose is made or implied. Flight planning and navigation should only be done using official charts.” This indicates to me that I wouldn’t trust it tell me if something is weight restricted or not.


#6

PEK and PVG both have 12K+ of runway and are nearlly sea level, so that isn’t the reason.
The weight limitation could still be performance induced if one airport has a required engine out climb gradient to be met or a restriction on weight bearing capacity of the taxi ways ramp etc…


#7

Good point 185Driver!

I’de still like to know the factual reason behind it. I just spoke with someone tonight nonreving from PEK and they got on with only 5 seats available (under capacity) which was only a week ago

I was curious b/c PVG is 500+ nm closer to EWR then PEK.

“Near the very bottom of the GCM is this: “Information on this site may not be accurate or current and is not valid for flight planning or navigation. No warranty of fitness for any purpose is made or implied. Flight planning and navigation should only be done using official charts.” This indicates to me that I wouldn’t trust it tell me if something is weight restricted or not.”

RW812 I was not referencing GCM for weight restrictions.

“We do get a Weight Restriction warning when listing for this segment.” on the internal company listing site


#8

Cargo, mail, sometimes very valuable cargo (computer components, smartphones, etc).

Remember cargo/mail goes BEFORE non-revvers because cargo/mail earns money, non-revving is a employee privilege.

There’s an article on aacargo.com or something.

Part of the reason AACargo is MAKING SO MUCH $$$ on the new PVG (Shanghai) LAX (Los Angeles) route is high-valuable computer components and cargo coming out of China for the OEM’s.

A recent 777 on the PVG-LAX route has had the latest Android smart-phones for JIT (Just in Time) logistics for major multi-national corporations.

Probably CO/UA has got a late minute absolutely must ride, high-value cargo out of Beijing going to New York (Lenovo laptop computers, anyone? Dunno just guessing) and that’s why there’s a passenger weight restriction on it.

IN FACT some cargo (computers, etc.) earn more MONEY than passengers.

Verizon Wireless is headquartered in Northern NJ, new Newark, NJ EWR Airport.


#9

Out of Hong Kong where the Pearl River Delta is, is even worse.

I keep hearing rumors there are the latest iPhone’s in the belly of Cathay’s 77W HKG-JFK flight.

And that flight takes off MTOW most of the time, there are jokes in the industry that CX (Cathay Pacific) is a “cargo carrier that just happens to carry passengers!”.

LOL.

And 15 hours non-stop on a passenger 77W is faster for the latest Apple gizmo than the Anchorage stop. Heh.


#10

Here’s the article on AACargoInsights:
aircargoinsights.com/market/ … ar-market/

AA, UA/CO, and DL is smelling the multi-billion dollar cargo opportunity for JIT (just in time) delivery moving computer compnents, laptops, tablets and the latest must-have selling @ the Apple Store, etc. from Asia to North America and possibly on-wards to Latin and South America.

:mrgreen: