A) Consider who the negative responders were.
B) An empty bucket makes the most noise…
Frohe Weinachten.
Everyone tells me my bucket is half full…
und gluckliches Neues Jahr
Frhliches Weihnachten and Happy New Year in return! 
Allen
Better than being constantly told you’re half fast! 
Not that this necessarily needs to be said, however. As far as my comments regarding the puke video are concerned, they were never directed at you apjpe. They were directed entirely toward the idiots that created the video and then chose to maliciously publicize the humiliation of it. In this case there is no malicious intent of degrading the victims.
And Happy Holidays to you… 
While I agree with you that there does not seem to be malicious intent, I will say that I don’t really understand what the intent is of posting every time an airplane gets bent or peole get hurt in an aviation accident. If they included some kind of lessons learned, then I could see the point. But just posting a picture or video of a broken airplane or an initial FAA accident report seems mostly almost devoid of any intent positive or negative. Is it the electronic equivalent of rubbernecking when there is an accident on the freeway?
There is no question all aircraft accidents are both sad and tragic.
However it is from others misfortune, that we have the opportunity to learn and advance both aircraft technology, and our own piloting skills. Aircraft built today, and pilots trained today, are infinitely safer than aircraft and pilots of 50 years ago, as an entire industry learns and advances, many times the result of learning from a tragic accident.
I obtained my student pilot license 35 years ago, and my enthusiasm for flying, and aviation in general is just as strong as it has ever been. During those 35 years, I have lost close friends in aviation accidents, including a ‘Best friend’, in what turned out to be a preventable accident.(C-GSCA DC-3). As tragic as that event was to his family, and friends, if it helps just one pilot, or one person, by learning from his accident, then I am grateful for that.
As for the posts, I find many of the responses, more interesting than the actual thread topic. There are many highly qualified, inteligent, and mature responses within Flightaware, I myself appreciate the insight others have shared, and contine to share.
For those unaware, there are in excess of 1000 aircraft accidents in the USA per year, and a mere fraction posted within Flightaware. It is a rare event to capture an event on video, or in photographs, and again, if a single person learns something, from just one post, then I believe it to both worthy and interesting.
For those that may disagree, then I have no problem agreeing to disagree with you, and move on.
Best Wishes for all during the Holidays, and Merry Christmas for those who celebrate it!!!
Robert Reid, Toronto, Canada.
Very well said Rob, and I agree 100 percent.
Experience is priceless and not only text book.
One hopes they never pay that ultimate price from mistakes, but this will happen as long as we are on this side of where the green grass grows.
I appreciate you posting these “incidents and accidents” so I can learn for my own flying needs.
And one ONLY learns by listening!
Allen
robbreid and Allen-
I completely agree with you that there is real value is posts/threads where you learn something about an accident through the wisdom of others, which hopefully will prevent someone else from making the same mistake. My point is that this thread, like many others of this accident posting variety, doesn’t really contain any such learnings. There is one post suggesting that it might be a control surface error, a tangent about a mythical downwind stall and then nothing else that would remotely address what happened.
I’m fine with folks posting whatever they want, just observing that many if not most of the postings about accidents are rubbernecking rather than learning (which is also ok).
My personal take on this video, I clearly accept the fact that the ‘Rubberneck’ value is high, as a google search show the video to be everywhere already.
For me, reading the posts, I was so focused on the aircraft, I had missed the windsock. Then the infamous ‘Downwind Stall’,
For instance, a powered plane flying north with airspeed of 30 knots against a
30 knots headwind has zero ground speed.
If you turn 90 deg. left (west), the plane’s airspeed still is 30 knots but is now
drifting 30 knots to the south resulting in 42 knots ground speed to the southwest.
If the plane keeps turning south, the drift due to the wind is still 30 knots but now
the ground speed becomes 30+30 = 60 knots, while the airspeed still is 30 knots.
The pilot on the ground will see the ground speed but not the airspeed, and since
the plane seems to move much faster flying downwind, the pilot may instinctively
slow down the plane below the stall speed.
This results in a pilot-induced stall due to the optical illusion of the plane’s higher
ground speed when flying downwind.
Source reference
I point this out, because for me, I have no idea the cause of this accident. What it does do, is open my eyes on possible concerns, and next week when I’m up at Buttonville Airport, I WILL be watching my airspeed!
Good, now I won’t feel so bad admitting that I laughed my ass off the first time I saw that.
I do hope that somebody will be able to help. I am the Aunt by marriage of Andre’s other Sister. I first met him at her wedding when he gave her away 18 months ago. He was a true gentle giant who was great fun but was very disciplined when necessary. I believe that one of his greatest fears was having a crash and killing other people so at least that did not happened. It is of some comfort knowing that he died doing something which he loved. I understand that he was an excellent pilot.
Tigers don’t fall apart in straight and level stable flight, or stall and spin in under the same conditions. The crash at Bethlehem is suspiciously like VH-AJG which crashed in Feb 2002 at Williamtown near Newcastle NSW Australia in similar manner. It was at 800’ on downwind for landing, stable S and L, calm weather, had been away on an hour’s flight.
Much more detailed investigation and experiment by the owner has established that it was NOT a classic stall and spin - pilot error - but failure of the interplane strut due to fungal/mould deterioration of the spar.
Any owners of Tiger Moths - withdraw the bolts on the upper surface interplane strut attachments and check for corrosion, and also have a
boroscope inspection of the spar timber for deterioration.
The owners of AJG now have a rebuilt Tiger Moth and have had this done - all clear. They will not fly in any Tiger Moth which has not had this inspection done and been cleared.
The safety authorities in Australia are not re-examining the crash of AJG but they have the report and it has also gone to DeHav and to pilot organisations. The original report is No 200200377 on www.atsb.gov.au/aviation. The new report is available on CD and only to happy to post you(snail mail) a copy.