KASE ILS question

On flightaware main page, there is an approach plate KASE.

The plate shows it has a localizer I-PKN 108.5 hdg 300 deg for the missed approach, but not for landing on KASE runway 15.

When I use flight simulator, there are 2 ILS courses, one for rwy 15 and one for the missed approach.

sky vector doesnt list either ILS approachs for KASE.

when I use google earth I can see both ILS setups for the runway and the back course, what gives?

It’s a flight simulator. :wink:

As you already discovered in the real world, there is no ILS approach into KASE. flightaware.com/resources/airpor … AP/all/pdf

I’m not sure what your real question is. I think you’re just looking for the second frequency box, since the LOC/DME approach plate shown here on Flightaware shows both LOC courses, but there’s only one Frequency box. The LOC info for runway 15 is at the top of the approach plate. LOC freq is 111.15 and the inbound course is 148 degrees.
Jeppesen charts look different, and I’m quite sure they have two freq boxes like you’re looking for…but they’re out in the airplane and it’s hot outside…

Naw, just your imagination! It “ain’t” hot until your shoes stick to the ramp! As you rumble down to 17, look to your left and check out that spiffy Slowdowner parked at the north end of the ramp :stuck_out_tongue:

The 111.15 localizer is used for the approach, the 108.5 localizer (back course) is used for the missed approach and several departure procedures. There is no approach based on flying the 108.5 localizer inbound to the airport.

John in Saudi

To visualize it, the other (108.5?) LOC is not located on the airport, it’s located on the side of a mountain, used for the missed, and also the departure. Look at the LINDZ 5 departure, you’ll see it visually.

I agree with CFI James, too tired and lazy to look it up.

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thats what throws me off, when i use google to look at the airport, the ILS equimpent is to the left side of the runway about 700 feet from TDZ, and the localizer is at the end of the runway, so i see it, but there are no ILS approach plates that i can find.

the reason i ask is because i try to fly this approach using the plate and not the ils, its hard, but when i use the ils its easy.

Are you sure that it isn’t the equipment that provides DME? IIRC, KSAN is set up the same way, with the Localizer at the approach end of Runway 9, with the DME on the opposite side of the field.

BL.

Whatever you are seeing at

about 700 feet from TDZ

is not ILS equipment…because, as others have already told you, there is no ILS at ASE! :unamused:

There is a LOC approach that provides lateral guidance only, and that equipment is at the south end of the runway.

Maybe i will call the airport and ask them myself…brb Apt Mgr 970-920-5384 or FBO 970-920-2016 tower 970-925-3703

LOL
Apt Mgr 970-920-5384… busy signal
FBO 970-920-2016… directed to tower
Tower 970-925-3703… answering machine
For some reason i find this comical.

I would venture to guess that at one point they had an ILS approach and decided not to maintain the glideslope equipment for what ever reason.

And that guess would be incorrect. An ILS at ASE would never meet the FAA’s required criteria because of the surrounding terrain.

Me too! :unamused:

Why do we bother Allen…

The tower never answers the phone, I’ve tried for actual operational reasons. Please don’t call them and ask such a ridiculous question, as that will discourage them from answering the phone when someone really needs them to, and it will divert their attention from the safe operation of the airport.

Trust me there is no ILS at ASE, as was stated before it would never meet the FAA obstruction clearance requirements period, get over it.

If your fake GPS has the ability to load the waypoints on the LOC/DME, maybe it is giving you vertical guidance for the stepdowns in the form of a synthetic GS needle linked to the VNAV function of your fake GPS in your fake airplane, with fake terrain and traffic surrounding you.

Again take no for an answer, and stop bothering the people that operate the airport How would you like it if you were flying in to ASE, on final for runway 15, and there was traffic departing on runway 33 not following the DP, and you couldn’t see him, and the tower controller was busy on the phone arguing with some guy about flight simulator, and SMACK midair collision… think about it.

That goes for every other airport too, if you want to email the airport manager go ahead, but please don’t ever call a control tower unless you have a real reason, you never know what’s going on on the other end of the line.

Well stated :wink: and much nicer tone then I could ever imagine writing.

You go M… Enough of this Mickey Mouse crap.

Just to play devil’s advocate on this, I’ve called the tower of a given airport many a time, just to schedule a tour. Controllers and the manager there were very friendly and most accommodating. Not sure if that fits your definition of ‘real reason’ (if it doesn’t, too bad! :smiling_imp: ), but there you have it.

BL.

Actually you quote a “real reason”. What a better way to build “working relationships” with pilots and ATC controllers. Tower visits from my experiences are most welcomed and in my experiences ATC’ers love to strut their stuff.

But to call just for a FSX sim problem is not exactly good use of ATC resources working to prevent airplanes from sharing the same airspace!!! (putting this very kindly!)