7600 question

Had my first experience with light guns! I flew “uneventfully” this morning, knocking out 2 ILS approaches at KJAN and a visual back to KMBO with my first friend in my plane.

Met my second friend (Dale) we hoof off to KMEI in his rented plane. Good lunch, I sprung for the free hot dogs, ice cream, popcorn and drinks. We get in the plane, call ground, everything is cool and got our taxi clearance to runway 4 via bravo! After runup, we call into tower, silence. We call into ground, silence. We try com 1 silence. We dial in ATIS and we hear ATIS! HUH, WTF? Call ground again, silence, then getting “desperate” call approach silence. We turn around and tower is flashing white at us. Hmmm, white is not green and it’s not red.

I ask Dale (PIC) do you have the light gun signal guide??? Uh no…

I do, but it’s in my portfolio that I take in my plane on every flight but since I was passenger I only took my flight bag!

Ok… I say, is it ok I talk on the radio? He says no problem (his experience with ATC was much less then mine and he had that deer in headlight look). I say Meridian tower N12345, we see what I think are white lights, looking for green. They immediately start flashing green. COOL huge difference in color and not my perceived “wishing it was green”, we can get out, so I say Tower, N12345 (fake tail to protect the innocent) taxiing to runway 4 for immediate departure. We look back, no additional signals so we take off.

I found in my flight guide the signal cheat sheet. We messed up! I told Dale he needs to file a NASA report as we should have waited for a solid green signal. Flashing green means taxi to the runway. Solid green means cleared for take off. First for me in the real world of aviating, and really interesting experience! BTW flashing white means return to starting point at the airport (FBO in our case)

The question that comes up in my head, was should we have squawked 7600 when we were really not sure if we had a radio problem or if it was user induced problem while on the ground? When should we have squawked 7600 **if at all **since we did not want flight following back to KMBO.

Overall, I was pleasantly surprised how easy it was to see the light from the tower as I had never seen it other then in a book in training or a tower visit. Next Friday, my friend and I plan to do some light gun work at our local airports so we can see what it looks like from the air, and of course, I plan to roll the video camera. I know local training doesn’t cover this in the actual flight training and it makes me wonder has anybody else seen light signals from the tower while approaching the airport from the air?

I’ve flown into KMEI probably 50 times, but always runway 1/19. I don’t at all mean to second guess you on what happened-- glad it was a learning experience for you. But… did you not think about taxiing back to the FBO and having someone look at your radio?

And to answer your question— yes, I’ve seen light signals once when the tower requested to do a signal gun test.

Why would you take off with a known problem? I’m thinking you should no take off from a controlled field without a radio. What kind of airspace is Meridian?

If it was me, I would have had it checked as I have my own plane and I am as squeamish as they come at controlled airports with working radios! My friend was PIC and he was renting was the scenario which I am sure plays a big part in his decision on whether to shell out money for repairs.

When we saw the white lights we were slowly headed back to the FBO as we knew we could call the tower for clearance and we both knew we could not take off. Our thoughts were more “instinctive” then anything else and since we established communication by seeing the light change from white to green we reacted according (right or wrong, I really don’t know, thus me posting).

As stated earlier, we were wrong by taking off without seeing that steady green for clearance and my friend told me in an email he did file a NASA report.

Waz,

KMEI is a Delta airport with a radar approach control (for military?) As far as taking off with a non working radio, personally again in my plane, I would have had it checked out before departure but even with what we did, after establishing communication, I didn’t feel we had an unsafe situation to abort taking off. All of this decision making really was done on the "fly"and instinctive.

The worst part about this whole lesson is neither of us knew what the white light signal instruction was until AFTER taking off! Not good!

Use your cellphone to call FSS and get the tower’s number.
As far as 7600 goes if you are VFR it would depend on the airspace classification and what you are doing. Flying along in the middle of nowhere, no. Approaching a class C or D (hopefully not B) airport yes. On the ground…???
In any case don’t forget you are setting of alarms so be judicious in it’s use.
IFR of course has it’s own rules.
I just learned the old way of 7600 then 7700 then 7600 is outdated now. Sheesh I wish they would stop changing the rules. Before you know it the TCA will be outdated too.

John in Saudi

Dayem…

Cellphone laying in the flight bag with fully charged batteries in the off position = $150 (not including service)
Not even thinking of using this tool - priceless and stupid

Ironically going back on my IFR training, my DE reminded me that the cell phone is a tool to be used even in flight for 7600 situations

Why it never crossed my mind in the heat of the moment, I have no clue.

Thanks John!

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What was the heat index when all this went down?

Not rip’n on you or your friend but you can sure see how a comedy of errors can get rolling.

Heat index was 1,100 and climbing. :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t mind the “rip’n” as I want to learn from my mistakes and hopefully others will learn from my mistakes hence me posting :wink: Keep 'em thoughts coming. I about beat my head on the desk when I saw John’s posting. I should have known his thoughts from my instrument training.

I personally do not think a flight safety issue was there OTHER then taking off without a clearance. That, I know is a big no no, but I didn’t feel that a non working radio is a show stopper as long as we were able to communicate and no smoke in the cockpit from “fried wires” killing the radios. Had we been at an uncontrolled airport, this wouldn’t have even been posted since we would have launched NORDO.

You are right, a comedy of errors ensued and shouldn’t have happened, one being 2 pilots NOT knowing the light signals and second not using all tools available (cell phone). Potentially huge errors I fully understand… I am not even here trying to defend our actions but try to explain our thought processes in our decision making process. There is no getting around not seeing a steady light was not an excuse for taking off without a clearance.

I did learn something from the ATC side as I posted this in another forum. Since we were in communication with ATC (two way not always needed) 7600 is not necessary in the real world (vs book world) on the ground. Light gun works for communications and 1200 is appropriate.

When you screw up always start your story with.

A friend of mine…

Nah Frank. I pony up to my mistakes… I like to keep my friends :wink:

Hopefully you do say the above in jest…

Why is Frank such a dick to Allen?

Ahh, because I can?

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To each his own, but what’s the point? Get a life :unamused:

You monitor what I do and tell me to get a life?

Good point, you are a waste of my time, thank you.

I was asking for your time? Go away strange little man!

Dam i was watching the tour de france, and I missed all this fun.

Glad all ended well.Here are some thoughts for all of us…yes to 7600,can’t hurt.Yes to NASA form (which he did).No to taking off,should have taxiied back to FBO.Technically the PIC could have been busted for T.O. w/out a clearance.Also, this could have been the beginning of something bigger and badder with the elect.system.Yes to having a cheat sheet for various emergencies,i.e. loss of com,interception procedures ( talk about pucker factor) fire etc.Yes to cell phone AND port.handheld with the headphone jack adaptors (avail.from Sporty’s).These are just a few helpful points for all of us.Also,great you are going to do some actual light gun work soon.You learned,bravo! Here is my story which went alittle better.Landed at IAH in Houston uneventfully and cleared Runway 8 and switched to ground on taxiway as directed,no response.Repeat with no response.Faced tower for possible light signals, as I was now transmitting on back-up handheld.Tower still did not hear me but I heard them direct airport OPS toward me for a escort.OPS did hear me and advised tower they were in comm.with me.No foul for anyone.Lessons: be prepared,be resourseful and most of all BECAREFUL.It is usually better to stop and think then guess what to do,even at a busy air carrier facility.At most towered airports someone will eventually come and help you.Use your head at all times and do no harm.Safe aviating to all…Herman. Oh,and while we are talking safety,please buy and ALWAYS fly with a PLB or SPOT.Priceless…

Yes to line breaks.