American Airlines' past hub


#1

I think I remember AA having a hub in BNA for a while back in the day didn’t they. If I remember correctly, they operated a BNA-LGW flight? Could anyone please post the former AA flight scheduele at BNA??
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THANK YOU!!


#2

I doubt there’s an electronic version of the 1995 BNA schedules, you would probably have to find a printed timetable.

This might help though: airtransportbiz.free.fr/Networks/AABNARDU.html


#3

Try the wayback machine at www.archive.org. This site is attempting to create an archive of all web pages from all times.

When I went to the American Airlines page at the wayback machine (enter www.aa.com), I got a list of all pages from the past few years. Unfortunately, when I went to download the timetable, I got the current one.

Try looking for press releases on either the current AAL site or the past sites at the wayback machine to find the information you want.


#4

I recall the LGW service as having started in May 1994 with a ceremonial crossing by local BNA bigwigs. Its termination was announced sometime in mid-1995, and I flew it as the end neared in Sept. '95. My schedule file from that year yields the following:

Sun. 9/10: Depart BNA 19:35 on AA138.
Mon. 9/11: Arrive LGW 9:45.
Tue. 9/19: Depart LGW 10:00 on AA137, arriving BNA 13:20.

I wrote a little history item not too long ago mentioning the 10th anniversary of AA’s concession that BNA had ceased to be a hub – 14 Dec 1995… http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2005/12/14/on_this_day_moments_from_nashvillex2019s_business_history_

-Tom


#5

Tom
Thanks for sharing this with us.

When you use the url command, you need to start it with


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Or, you can just enter the url with the coding, as below:

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#6

Nashville is sure serving Southwest very nicely. Some third-party travel website consider BNA a hub for Southwest. I’m not sure Southwest itself does though.


#7

Southwest does not consider BNA, or any other city, to be a hub. They are a point-to-point carrier and, as such, does not operate hubs.


#8

I’ll chip in and mention Wikipedia.

No, SW doesn’t have hubs, but they do have cities that have a higher volume of flights than others. Hub would not be the right term; focus city might be more appropriate. Even then, I’d really consider MDW to be more of a focus city than BNA.


#9

I’m pretty sure were a hub, just look at destinations served
BNA: PVD, BDL, PHL, BWI, ORF, RDU. JAX, MCO, TPA, FLL, BHM, HOU, SAT, AUS, MCI, MDW, DTW, CMH, CLE, PHX, SAN, ONT, LAX, LAS, OAK, SEA
26 TOTAL
SEA: 13
GEG: 6
PDX: 13
BOI: 7
RNO: 10
LAS: 53
PHX: 45
TUS: 5
SMF: 11
OAK: 20
SJC: 11
BUR: 5
LAX: 20
ONT: 6
SNA: 6
SAN: 15
ABQ: 21
AMA: 4
LBB: 5
MFE: 6
ELP: 11
HRL: 3
CRP: 1
SAT: 13
AUS: 15
DAL: 14
HOU: 27
MSY: 10
LIT: 7
OKC: 6
TUL: 6
OMA: 4
DEN: 7
SLC: 14
MCI: 19
STL: 21
MDW: 46
IND: 8
SDF: 8
CMH: 9
CLE: 6
DTW: 5
JAN: 4
BHM:11
JAX: 9
MCO: 29
TPA: 29
RSW: 5
PBI: 4
FLL: 11
RDU: 8
ORF: 6
PIT: 6
PHL: 19
BUF: 6
ALB: 4
ISP: 8
BDL:7
PVD: 8
MHT:6
BWI: 39
HUBS: 1. LAS
2. MDW
3. PHX
4. BWI
5. MCO
TPA
7. HOU
8. BNA


#10

You have to consider that those may not all be direct flights; they might be the second or third stop on a SW flight. For example, SW lists PIT as a destination from RDU, but it’s the second stop of a flight. I don’t consider that direct- you may not ever get off the plane, but you are stopping somewhere. It may not take you as long as going through a traditional hub and spoke system, but I wouldn’t equate the two.


#11

no, these are non-stop flights straigh off the SW route map


#12

See here: southwest.com/pdf_schedules/ … R8.bna.pdf

For example, you listed ALB. No direct flights, the best is a second stop of a flight (the rest connect via BWI/MDW). Same with ABQ, but I’ll stop there and let you check out the rest :slight_smile:


#13

where did i post alb as a direct service from bna?


#14

Sorry, I guess I misunderstood that list you posted a few posts back. What was that in reference to?


#15

srry, that was a list of how many destinations each city has

e.g.>> HOU: 27
would mean that houston has service on southwest to 27 non-stop destiniations


#16

SEA
OAK
LAX
ONT
SAN
LAS
PHX
MCI
AUS
SAT
HOU
MSY
MDW
DTW
CMH
CLE
PVD
BDL
PHL (or soon will)
ORF
RDU
JAX
MCO
TPA
and FLL.

I wish SMF to BNA was a non-stop but no.


#17

They have a lot of flights at a lot of airports to a lot of cities. However, Southwest does **not **have hubs. Here’s what Southwest’s annual report (Form 10-K) says (emphasis mine):

  "Southwest Airlines Co. (Southwest or the Company) is a major domestic airline that provides *point-to-point*, low-fare service."

   "Southwest focuses principally on *point-to-point, rather than hub-and-spoke*, service in markets with frequent, conveniently timed flights and low fares."

  Southwests point-to-point route system, as compared to hub-and-spoke, provides for more direct nonstop routings for Customers and, therefore, minimizes connections, delays, and total trip time. *Southwest focuses on nonstop, not connecting, traffic.* As a result, approximately 79 percent of the Companys Customers fly nonstop."

Source: Southwest Airlines Form 10-K dated 2/10/06


#18

Hmmm… Well, SW can say just about anything they want in a press release, especially if it helps differentiate them from other airlines (which is really their entire marketing plan!)

Granted, RDU doesn’t have many SW destinations, but I’ve only flown SW twice where I wasn’t connecting- once to BNA (ironically enough) and once to MDW. Every other time I’ve flown to MDW to connect to another flight. I would be curious to see the number of people that fly to MDW/BWI/LAS/PHX as a final destination, as opposed to a connection. It’s doubtful anyone here would have those statistics, but they might be telling- perhaps maybe that entire 21% covers those.

If you consider that, for any city SW serves and there is not a direct flight from a given source city, you can almost certainly get there by routing through the four aforementioned cities. Even if SW doesn’t want to call them such, that seems to me to be the definition of a hub. I dunno, a hub by any other name… :wink:


#19

I’ve had this discussion on other forums and I still don’t understand what part of “Southwest is not a hub-and-spoke airline” people don’t get.

First of all, it was not a press release I quoted from. It was the annual report, a document required to be filed with the SEC by every publicly owned company.

A true hub is when an airline schedules many flights to arrive at a given airport during a relatively short period of time then they all depart during a relatively short period of time about 1-2 hours later. In other words, they have banks of aircraft arrivals and departures several times a day. In between these banks there are few, if any, flights. An airline that operates a hub-and-spoke system plans on the majority of its passengers having to transit a hub between any two given airports.

Go to the Southwest schedules page and download one of the schedules for LAS, LAX, MDW, OAK, or another large station. You will find that there are no banks of flights at any of the airports. You will see that flights arrive throughout the day. Any given flight will depart, on average, about 25 minutes later. Due solely to the large number of flights at a given airport, there will naturally be many opportunities to connect to another flight.

To repeat from a government-required document (again, emphasis is mine): Southwests point-to-point route system, as compared to hub-and-spoke, provides for more direct nonstop routings for Customers and, therefore, minimizes connections, delays, and total trip time. Southwest focuses on nonstop, not connecting, traffic. As a result, approximately 79 percent of the Companys Customers fly nonstop."


#20

I understood your point about what Southwest has submitted to the Securities and Exchange Commission as the truth. Sadly, just because it appears in one, doesn’t guarantee that it is truthful. Example, a certain Houston based company that once had its name on a major league ballpark in that city for example. I’m sure Southwest’s intent is to have focus cities and not hubs but their recent schedule writing has been drifting that for MDW, LAS and PHX to act like hubs even though they are not. That’s why I asked my question earlier about McCarran. McCarran is Southwest’s busiest airport. For most airlines they would have bases their. Southwest does not. McCarran has just grown for them on its on accord. But the schedule designers need to be careful that they don’t turn McCarran and Sky Harbor into western hubs for Southwest.