SNOW STORM


#1

Major delays throughout the Northeast because of a historic snowstorm. BTV is expecting to get anywheres from 15in-35in. United and US Airways already canceled flights in and out of BTV and I heard more airlines will be doing the same thing. And all this backs up everything because its not only BTV. BOS I heard there getting ICE!!! :open_mouth:


#2

fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/usmap.jsp


#3

I wouldn’t exactly call it a historic storm, there’s been much worse. It is bad, though.

On topic, at several airports, it says: Due to EAGLE FLIGHTS ONLY, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving John F Kennedy International Airport, New York, NY (JFK). To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check “Delays by Destination”.

And at Dulles, it says: Due to UAL REQUESTED FOR ASH, CHQ, CJC, LOF, TCF FLIGHTS ONLY, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Washington Dulles International Airport, Washington, DC (IAD). To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check “Delays by Destination”.

What’s the deal with this? Are airlines allowed to request only their aircraft operate?


#4

It is on of the top ten biggest storms in Vermont making it historic.


#5

I would have thought it would have snowed more than a foot more than ten times before in Vermont.


#6

The other way around actually, they are requesting that their aircraft be delayed at the gate, rather than get into grief sitting on the ramp waiting for de-icing. Or having 100 airplanes waiting for 20 gates.
jetBlue was doing it earlier at BOS and JFK and continental was doing it at CLE earlier too.


#7

Nitro is too young to remember the “Storm of the Century” that hit the NE in March of 1993. Only time my car was ever buried beneath snow. That storm was historic. Or the " Ice Storm " of January 1998. No power at my home for 14 days. That was historic.

I’m sure the good folks in Upstate NY are just sighing now. 15"-30" on top of the 300" they already have.

None of the resorts are complaining about snow now. :smiley:


#8

HAHA I remember the Ice Storm we had now power for about the same time, my little sister was sick with the flu she booted in the hallway at night so we didn’t know where is was. This is not the biggest storm BUT it’s one of the biggest. The biggest in like 5 years. The resorts are all on wind hold until probably Friday so theres not much going on there.


#9

Unless someone here lives in Oswego County New York you don’t know anything about big snow storms. Parish, New York clocked in at 136"!! Although I don’t live there I have family there and I was just in the area. 120+ inches in 1 week and more is on the way. Anyone who is familiar with Syracuse, NY is aware that the airport gets ~110 inches a year but if you go 20 miles north there are areas that average 275+ inches a year.


#10

All that snow is lake effect snow. It should not have happened because that water should be colder then what it is right now. This is a storm that took moister from the storm that gave the tornadoes to New Orleans and the south. The winds then shifted north with all the moister and pulling more moister out of the Atlantic Ocean once it hit that cold Canadian air it dumps it. And because a low pressure system spins counter clockwise it continues to pull moister out of Cape Cod and the water near there and dumps it in Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and New York. But the winds are coming out of the south in Lower New York and Massachusetts causing rain and freezing rain. So it is a little different then the lake effect in New York but never the less snow is snow. :smiling_imp:


#11

You are right, snow is snow, and yes, it is lake effect I’m referring to. Wait until the storm moves a little futher north and those counter clockwise winds begin to blow over Lake Ontario dumping more snow on Oswego County!


#12

I don’t know if the winds will start that because its a high atmosphere wind. There is a heavy snow watch there or maybe it’s been up graded to a warning either way they don’t need anymore snow. I want it to keep coming because I want to sleep in. :laughing:


#13

Thank you. Born and raised in Western NY. Remember the blizzard of '77 and '85. I also recall 3 or 4 times having 7-8 FEET of snow on the ground at one time.

I’ll tell you this I went to the same school from K-12 and only missed 5 days in '85 b/c of snow. (our school busses dropped their own salt/sand). My kids here in Columbus have missed 5 days already this year and we’ve yet to have more then 6" on the ground.

I read a quote from a person in Mexico, NY (NW of Perish) that said, “it’s ALMOST an unreal amount”

My wife and I are on the 5 years plan to move back there. I can’t wait.


#14

If you look through the entire FAA Advisory Database for Wednesday, you’ll find the Ground Stop message for Eagle Flight aircraft only. Earlier in the day, this message came out:

ATCSCC ADVZY 061 BOS/DCA/JFK/LGA 02/14/2007 EGF GROUND STOPS

RAW TEXT:
ATCSCC ADVZY 061 BOS/DCA/JFK/LGA 02/14/07 EGF GROUND STOPS
DESTINATION AIRPORT: BOS DCA JFK LGA
FACILITIES INCLUDED: NO-WEST+CZY_AP
EXPECT UPDATE: 2030Z
REASON: COMPANY REQUESTED INITIATIVE@
REMARKS: THIS GROUND STOP IS FOR EGF FLIGHTS ONLY.
141853-142359
07/02/14 18:54

Jet Blue had one…and another from BTA ( I’m afraid I don’t recall the airline that discussed the reason for the stop:

ATCSCC ADVZY 052 CLE/ZOB 02/14/2007 CLE GROUND STOP_BTA FLTS ONLY
RAW TEXT:
ATCSCC ADVZY 052 CLE/ZOB 02/14/07 CLE GROUND STOP_BTA FLTS ONLY
DESTINATION AIRPORT: CLE
FACILITIES INCLUDED: ZOB/ZBW/ZNY/ZDC/ZID/ZAU/ZMP
EXPECT UPDATE: 2200Z
REASON: BTA REQUEST, COMPANY GATES NOT CLEAR
REMARKS: DO NOT COUNT DELAY
141655-142200
07/02/14 16:55

Note the remark about DO NOT COUNT DELAY…the FAA doesn’t want a company mandated Ground Stop to count against the FAA delay statistics.


#15

And now I note that CFIJames had already pretty much answered this question…


#16

It’s still appreciated. :slight_smile:


#17

Some lady passed out waiting on a Jetblue flight bound to JFK but they sat for like 2 hours and thats when she fainted, plus aircrafts were loaded with pax for about that time if not longer before they canceled, only 3 early flights made it out of BTV today and tomorrow it’s going to be windy with gust up to 40mph with blowing snow making visibility very very poor, my school was canceled today and at 6:30 tonight they already canceled it for tomorrow and where the last school in the state to close.


#18

It’s funny, because I just saw a news story about a jetBlue aircraft sitting on the taxiway for hours at LGA. They had the customary interviews with people moaning about how hot it was on the plane, and they were SOOOO miserable. It’s an inconvenience, yes, but let’s keep it in perspective…You want miserable? Head over to Iraq and look at what our troops and the citizens there are putting up with. Even closer, hop on the subway from LGA and head downtown to see some of the faces of true misery. Last time I checked, the homeless in NYC weren’t given refunds+a free round trip ticket for their troubles.


#19

You only got about 6" in Delaware?! We have 17" on the ground in Medina, and this isn’t lake effect! (for once) :wink:


#20

Leardvr is in Columbus, OH IIRC, not Delaware.

Here in So. Jersey we have a couple of inches of snow with about 1" of ice on top. My truck is entombed in a block of ice in the driveway.