Skyview Aircrafts without Position or MLAT


#1

this weekend lots of smaller aircrafts used the sunny weather here in bavaria/germany and thanks to flightaware mlat i got a huge number of them on my map.

in skyview the aircraft numbers then say e.g. 340 aircrafts - 250 with position. but when i scroll down the list of aircrafts there are mostly only about 40 shown without position not the delta which were 90. my first question is where are the missing 50 aircrafts - and what causes this behavior?

a second question i have is why those 40 (or even 90) do not have positions from mlat. when i look into the data i obviously got enough messages from them and the last message mostly is just 0-1 seconds old. in addition some of the aicrafts fly at high altitudes and that means they are seen of lots of other sites?

i’m really happy how mlat works and helps me to see lots of aircrafts i never would see without. but to see again more would be nice :slight_smile:

i add a screenshot and a aircraft.json file below

cheers
tom

p.s. post limit 32000 is a bit low - and it were great if there could be posted other formats beside pictures …

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#4

I think this might have to do with the “since last seen” timeout is different from the dump1090 vs skyview map.

The JSON table is showing planes that disappeared for more than 60 seconds. Some are in the table after 3mins so you must have edited the timeout of dump1090.

Does your sky view map show display planes seen more than 60 seconds since last message?


#5

david - very good point! i overlooked that there is much old data in json. but no i did not change the timeout setting in dump1090 - where could this be done so i can have a look into this.

one thing that is ‘special’ in my setup - is that this aircraft.json and the screenshot come from a dump1090 that runs in net-only mode and gets it’s data via socat (ports 30004/30104) from the rasperry that feeds flightaware and is connected to antenna and dongle.

when i sort the list in skyview map to show oldest ‘age’ on top it’s always below 60 - so i’d say the map does not show older aircrafts …

p.s. this skyview is not part of dump1090 sd-card image - but runs on stretch with latest dump1090-mutability and just the whole html folder is replaced with that from dump-fa

edit: when i look into the ‘seen’ fields they seem to be all below 300 == 5min. to resume a track how long is the standard?


#6

The timeout in the json is larger than the visibility timeout on the UI, 300 seconds is normal.

/* Maximum age of tracked aircraft in milliseconds */
#define TRACK_AIRCRAFT_TTL 300000

After 60 seconds the UI will hide the aircraft but the historical track etc. is kept for longer in case it comes back.


#7

ok - then everything in my aircraft.json seems to be pretty normal. do you have any idea what could be the reasons for the behaviors i was wondering about:

in skyview the aircraft numbers then say e.g. 340 aircrafts - 250 with position. but when i scroll down the list of aircrafts there are mostly only about 40 shown without position not the delta which were 90. my first question is where are the missing 50 aircrafts - and what causes this behavior?

a second question i have is why those 40 (or even 90) do not have positions from mlat. when i look into the data i obviously got enough messages from them and the last message mostly is just 0-1 seconds old. in addition some of the aicrafts fly at high altitudes and that means they are seen of lots of other sites?


#8

That is something you’ll need to research yourself.


#9

i’ll try - but afraid that result again points to tl;dr: or similar attribute …


#10

Did you ever figure this out? Interesting problem.


#11

no - not really :slight_smile: