Landing Runways?


#1

Is there a way to tell what runway the plane landed on based on the flight plan? I didn’t see anything, but wondered if it is a possibility. Thanks!
Brad


#2

Check the field wind conditions. More then likely they will land where they can get the most headwind an longest runway.


#3

The flight plan is filed before the flight, and since arriving runways are determined by the arrival airport and their controllers, you wouldn’t be able to tell by the flight plan. Whether the FAA or someone else reports what runway the plane landed on after the arrival, I don’t know.

You could also look at the traffic map and see where the arriving aircraft are going.


#4

Don’t you think it would be a cool featrure after the flight is done? Not necessarily what runway the flight WILL land on, but what runway it DID.

Brad


#5

No. What would be the purpose? If you are spotting, you don’t want to know what runway the aircraft landed (past tense) on but are currently landing (present tense) on.


#6

I’m also not sure that data is captured anywhere in the computerized ATC system. The flightplan data strips (both electronic and paper) don’t show it and tower sometimes even changes what runway you are cleared to land on after approach has set you up for an approach to a different runway. I may be wrong but I think you are asking for some data that is impossible to show because it just doesn’t exist anywhere…

Dave


#7

Arrival messages don’t include any indication of the runway that was used, so at best we could make a guess from the heading (which would be complicated by airports like KLAX with 4 parallels and different numbers).


#8

You really can’t guess with this stuff, there is so much that goes into it, and would be impossible to do so accurately. For example, there are times flights at EWR are landing on 11 and 4R at the same time. Factors include plane size and whether the pilot requests an 11 approach. You just can’t guess unless there is some data release about it, which mduell has said doesn’t exist.


#9

Actually, it does show the landing runway in the Pilot Weight Manifest (PWM)

If you are familiar with the PWM you know what I am talkng about.

The PWM isn’t made public though. It is downloaded to the aircraft via ACARS from company an directly in the FMC of the aircraft. (Flight Management Computer) At times, it’s manually done.

I’ll see if I can get a copy an post it here. The weight in the PWM tells the pilot just about everything an what the weight should be at landing MLW. (Maximum Landing Weight) Usually the MLW is within 1000 lbs.

The PWM also gives you the posistion of the runway at which you rotate, wheels off. Usually a taxi way intersection as a refrence. V1 speeds an etc. Very detailed!

Very cool to look at!


#10

The question isn’t if someone doesn’t know what runway they landed on…question is does ATC computer database (or any other database for that matter) have that data for IFR flights in the US…answer is NO. Many companies/airlines may have that data in their databases, but that isn’t data that is on the web in any accessible form.

WRT ACARS messages, not sure what airline/company you are talking about. I know of no carrier who’s ACARS landing message shows the runway the aircraft landed at…and a message from dispatch will not have the runway since the runway is selected by tower, not the airline’s dispatch office.

The document you are talking about sounds like a predicted landing weight message from dispatch that presumably is used for things like alternates/etc. It most definitely is NOT telling the aircraft what runway they will land on. Even if it is a message transmitted from dispatch in response to a request for data by the a/c after the pilot is told what runway to expect, it is still possible the runway will be changed while on final approach.

Point is…I don’t think there is a database anywhere (including any airline) that tracks what runway aircraft have landed on (or taken off) from). I’m certainly willing to be told different if someone on this list knows of it and am

standing by to be educated.

Dave Klain


#11

ACCULOAD - Pilot Weight Manifest

  1. a/c 800 flt### DGA-DDG date 01/12/06

  2. rnwy 15R-W flap 05 temp 18c
    wind 1706 wind comp 6 applied 0
    eng B26 elev 98

  3. oem 095265 ACT CORR GROUP CONFIG
    TTL 131 …
    F 007 … 007-007 018

  4. payload 036423 35000 Y 124 … 120-128 132
    Y1 063 … 063-063 R 06-17
    Y2 061 … 057-065 R 18-29
    5.zfw 131688 136000

  5. fuel 023400 24000

  6. gtow 155088 153700

  7. MAX GTOW 157100 L MAC 27.4 PCT TRIM 5-0/0 ANU

  8. RMKS- 52 BLEEDS-ON 146/147/151
    TERRAIN CLEARANCE OBSERVED
    LND NTM- RUNWAY 04 DISPLACED 200M FOR TAKEOFF DUE TO ILS CONSTRUCTION

COND- TAKEOFF FROM INTERSECTION WWW OR WC - 9440 FT AVAILABLE ENG FAIL PROCEDURE - CLEAN UP AT 1000 FT MSL
STANDARD F/A COMPLEMENT FOR THIS A/C TYPE IS 4

BIN - 1 530 ELEV 85
2 4992 LNDG RNWY 04 - 8547
3 5356 FLAP 30
4 0 MAX LNDG WT 144000 LBS

TTL CARGO WT 10878
ZFW PCT MAC AFT 28.8
FWD 11.7
ACT 26.7

The actual PWM. I kept the flight #, a/c#, and the origin an detination hidden due to privacy issues. It’s a 737-800. The landing information, runway is only the recommended. No other outside company has this information. Each departure receives this via acars.

Enjoy


#12

That is my point…that is a calculation generated by whatever carrier you are getting the acars printout from’s dispatch. It shows some field data and lists a recommended runway (presumably they are basing that on current winds at time of message transmission) but that data will NOT always show what runway the plane landed on. Dispatch has NO control over that…tower does.

The point of this whole thread was a request for flightaware.com to show what runway the aircraft had used…and the answer is there is no way for flightaware (or anyone else for that matter) to do this since that data does not exist.

Dave Klain
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