What are the traffic rules at untowered airports?

[leardvr]

@lieberma

Only when those students do get past the point where they realize that 3 stop and goes require them to taxi back to the end of the runway rather then using the full length of the runway will the pavement accomodate pistons and turbines

I was lucky enough to learn to fly out of a 2600’ field 9G0 and a 1600’ one way grass strip NY00. Used to take a 210 out of both, and a 421 in and out of 9G0 (looking back on it that one was stupid). Used to take my Comm. students up there with the 210 and make them to landings. Was fun to do mid field turn offs and have to wait for the 152’s using the whole field.

Didn’t realize at the time how good that was for me. I learned a/s and alt control on approaches, and it helps me to this day.

Ah, good times.

[Canadamooney]

I think the FAA has really messed up with their user fee proposal, but one way they did it is clearly beyond them.

I don’t think that I am unusual in that I am happy to yield to incoming jets so they can avoid a go around, or other insanely expensive manuever. There is a caveat - As long as they have not demonstrated that they are anything other than professional and easy going about who comes first. I expect some noblesse oblige (sp?).

Their are good reasons. Safety - vastly different speeds are dangerous and I can’t get out of their way. They have more passengers and I don’t want to endanger them when I make a mistake being a relatively low time pilot. My airplane is more forgiving, but theirs?

Lot’s of good reasons, but one really good one is courtesy. The very core of courtesy is to pay a small inconvenience for oneself, to spare a larger one for someone else. To me, this is much more important than the so called “family values” to the fabric of our society.

Here is the thing. Until the whole “fair share” argument came up, I felt like we all had a pretty good bargain. I would waste time, fuel, comfort, and risk my safety to go way around a busy airport without much complaint. I would happily extend my downwind so they could come in and land. 360 on final, no problem! (I may be rare on that one, controllers seem so grateful when you comply). I have noticed lots of this behavior by others flying training or pleasure flights around small airports.

How will this change if we get what we feel is a raw deal. I have heard ideas of “aluminum rain” protests that could severely and legally cramp an airport like O’Hare with only a dozen planes flying legal VFR patterns outside the class B. There may be some violation due to their intent, but the point that it’s discussed means a real change in the environment.

I foresee civility taking a real beating at more and more airports. This will lead to huge costs for the airlines and charters, and likely to deaths.

Rodney King was right. We should all just get along. Unfortunately, as the stakes get higher, the fighting always increases.

[wazzu90]

Did somebody mention uncontrolled airports in Canada? My biggest aircraft/shortest field experience was departing YMP - Pt. McNeill, BC rwy 06 (2400’). I was right seat in a King Air C-90 packed to the gills (hey, it was a fishing trip). The airport is so small we had to turn the plane around pushing it by hand and then the pilot reversed to gain the few extra feet at the end of the runway. I’ve pushed and pulled plenty of Cessnas and Pipers but never thought I’d have the pleasure of a King Air in the middle of no where. Of course, I’d do it again.