LNA over-powering Airspy R2?

@wiedehopf , thanks for explaining that airspy_adsb gets single message tracks, but doesn’t pass them on. A simple way to feed ADS-B data - #28 by wiedehopf

I thought I would start a new topic as this is potentially about airspy_adsb rather than readsb autogain.

My reason for wondering if the my LNA has a problem was what happened when I replaced the Nooelec v5 with the Airspy R2. Reception collapsed:


The Airspy graphs over a shorter timeframe:

Also there were sharp spikes in overall processor load when the LNA was in use.

I suppose my question is if the LNA is over-powering the Airspy, why isn’t airspy_adsb reducing gain from the max value of 21?

not overpowering it.
Maybe the LNA isn’t getting powered when you have the R2 connected to it?

Ignore the CPU spikes, think that’s some issue with data collection.

LNA was powered via USB - I will put it back into the circuit with a power monitor attached and report back.

The LNA is working. Look at the signal level stats.
Which LNA is it? My Uputronics gets overloaded easily, however, I suspect the the airspy would handle it better than a V5.
My airspy isn’t working at the moment so I can’t check my stats.
Can’t you just lower the levels manually?

Yes I can do that, but I started this experiment looking at the new readsb autogain for RTL-SDRs, so I wanted to compare with the auto gain in airspy_adsb. I will repeat the test with the LNA, and if I get the same result, I will try low manual gain settings on the R2 and see what happens.

So you have part of that graph labeled R2, that means R2 without LNA?
It shows plenty of signal.
Thus LNA is not working with the R2, note the loudest signals are actually reduced for LNA + R2 compared to R2.
At the same time it seems to add a lot of noise.

Yes - that was just the R2. I’m surprised how well it performs without a filter or a LNA. I’m lucky to be in area with little RF interference.

Sorry, I didn’t answer your question.

Its a Nooelec LaNA wideband LNA
https://www.nooelec.com/store/lana.html

I’ve repeated the test with the LNA returned to the setup. The results were different this time. To begin with it looks like the previous chart, but then after about 25 minutes airspy_adsb autogain reduces the gain setting and the results improve. After letting it run for about an hour, I’ve set fixed Gain =14 as suggested by @jonhawkes2030 .

As this is a Wideband LNA without a filter, could intermittent out of band interference explain what I am seeing?

Seems the autogain doesn’t handle noise produced by interference too well.

Really most people use a filtered LNA if they’re gonna pay for an airspy, so i don’t think it was ever tested for this scenario.

You could either switch to a filtered LNA (uputronics on airspy.us / sawbird not bad either).
Or you could add a cavity filter (Lothar's ADS-B Cavity Filter 1090 Mhz – Airplanes.Live) which can go between antenna and LNA.

Not even sure it’s intermittent. The autogain uses RSSI and with enough noise it might not reach the threshold for the gain to be adjusted downwards.
So it could just be a noise induced misbehaviour of the autogain.
And the noise would be caused by strong out of band signals yes. Which explains why reducing gains improves reception.

The graphs confuse me a bit as they show data in the airspy graphs while using hte LNA+v5.

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Thanks for the explanation.

I use an Uputronics filtered LNA with an Airspy mini on my main feeder. The setup described here is just cobbled together from my spare parts box, so it is definitely an edge case.

The longer term plan is to use the R2 with some sort of wideband antenna to explore other parts of the spectrum - airband, etc. Hence the wideband LNA and no spare 1090 filter.

Re the airspy graphs when using the LNA + v5. I think it is just visual confusing as the two don’t actually overlap (last seven days)


Well at least it’s easy to see when you’re using an airspy :slight_smile:

Which autogain is that with the v5? readsb or dump1090-fa?

For airspy gain you could probably tweak it to a sweet spot for this edge case.
Probably gain 15 or 16.
Maybe 14, hard to say.

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It is the latest readsb.

I actually ran it with the v5 for about a month, and it worked well.