SWA 8542 on 2-13-2011


#1

Just watched southwest 8542 take off from Hobby headed for Mexico. I know it is a charter flight, I am just wondering if anyone knows who uses that charter number. If it’s not a true charter, then maybe a practice run of things to come? Sorry I don’t know how to link the flight track to my post.


#2

This is the flight: flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 … /KHOU/MSLP

It’s headed for San Salvador, El Salvador.

Not sure what you mean by “true charter.” It’s either a charter or not a charter, just like you’re either pregnant or not pregnant, no in between.

In this case, though, it’s a ferry flight. Southwest has outsourced some maintenance to a company in San Salvador.

The article mentions the first aircraft will be ferried to El Salvador in July. This is probably that flight: flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8 … /KHOU/MSLP

See also SWA8540


#3

What I meant by “true charter” was revenue generating charter, e.g. team charters. I guess the ferry flight makes a lot more sense. Thanks.


#4

I see what you mean. To me, the definition of a charter flight is a flight that does generate revenue.


#5

At SWA,

8500-8549 flight numbers are positioning ferries not related to a charter.

General commercial charters are 8000-8499, military charters are 7000-7999.

Not sure why they didn’t use an 8700-8724 number which is a maintenance ferry.


#6

So what is the SWA 8500 - 8699 series? As in SWA8606 today into KBGR?


#7

The 8600 series appear to be military flights. Many of those flights go to BWI (a major airport for AMC), Alexandria (Louisiana), and Fort Hood.


#8

8550-8699 are charter ferries, deadheading to pick up a charter or returning to base after dropping charter pax off. 8550-8699 can be used for military or commercial charter ferry.

flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8608 is the empty ferry leg (MDW is a pilot/aircraft base)

flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA7036 is the live flight (7000 series number so it’s a military charter)


#9

Its a MX flight, but Southwest would never want to admit that they do work down there… I wouldn’t eat a breakfast burrito from El Salvador


#10

They have admitted that they get some maintenance work in El Salvador. You may not want to eat a burrito there but the company used there is an excellent aircraft maintenance company.

As long as the aircraft is properly worked on, does it matter where the work is done (union over-wages aside)?


#11

Southwest and El Salvador are linked in this incident too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPn8G7enbF4)

Plane is still there, N697SW.


#12

[quote=“71Zulu”]
Southwest and El Salvador are linked in this incident too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPn8G7enbF4)

Plane is still there, N697SW.

Probable cause from the NTSB accident database:
A DOUBLE ENGINE FLAMEOUT DUE TO WATER INGESTION WHICH OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF AN INFLIGHT ENCOUNTER WITH AN AREA OF VERY HEAVY RAIN AND HAIL. A CONTRIBUTING CAUSE OF THE INCIDENT WAS THE INADEQUATE DESIGN OF THE ENGINES AND THE FAA WATER INGESTION CERTIFICATION STANDARDS WHICH DID NOT REFLECT THE WATERFALL RATES THAT CAN BE EXPECTED IN MODERATE OR HIGHER INTENSITY THUNDERSTORMS

Type: B737-3T0
Aircraft history:
23838 1505 26.01.88 N75356 Polaris 02.03.88 3T0 Continental NTU
Pol/TACA Int 10.05.88
Aviateca lsd 30.10.89
Pol/Aviateca lsd 01.03.90 own Cirrus 8.8.90
N319AW America West slsd 16.04.91 wfu sPhoenix 9.92 no tit,depated 16.9 to GAZ ret 17.9.92 CIT
Morris Air Int 07.01.93 sPhoe,Ryan tit/CCC r11.92,s Morris Int col.3.11.92
N764MA Southwest AL tfd r01.95
N697SW Southwest AL rr s6.03.95 C sPhoe fc

As an aside, I flew this aircraft as when it operated SWA840 from OAK and LAX on 12/20/03.[/quote]