# ROUTE Abbreviations **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [July 11, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763 "2008-07-11T18:46:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![flyaub1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a3d4f5/32.png) [@flyaub1](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/flyaub1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 6:46pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/1 "2008-07-11T18:46:06Z")
Could someone please explain the Route abbreviations that I see while tracking my son’s flight from Asheville NC to Westchester Co NY? It says: PSK J150 CYN BUON04…I have tried the search function, but no dice. P.S I am not a pilot, just a proud father of one, so take it easy on me fellas… This site is great. ---
**Author:** ![nenyedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac8455/32.png) [@nenyedi](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/nenyedi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/2 "2008-07-11T18:48:28Z")
These are navaids and intersections. Try typing the route into [Skyvector.com](http://Skyvector.com) and it will display their locations against a map. ---
**Author:** ![im4point](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e8c25b/32.png) [@im4point](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/im4point)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 6:51pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/3 "2008-07-11T18:51:38Z")
3 letters are VOR’s J with 2 or 3 numbers are Jet Airways (roads in the sky) V with 2 or 3 numbers are Victors airways (roads in the sky) 5 Letters and a number at the end is an arrival or departure procedure. ---
**Author:** ![flyaub1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a3d4f5/32.png) [@flyaub1](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/flyaub1)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/4 "2008-07-11T19:34:46Z")
thanks guys ---
**Author:** ![damiross](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@damiross](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/damiross)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/5 "2008-07-11T20:06:05Z")
5 letters without a number and that are pronounceable are fixes. You can download a complete list of location identifiers as a [PDF](http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/at_orders/media/LID.pdf) or view has an ```nohighlight (http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/LID/LIDHME.htm). Take a look at the 5 letter fixes. Some of them are quite imaginative. ``` ---
**Author:** ![sykocus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discussions.flightaware.com/sykocus/32/86375_2.png) [@sykocus](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/sykocus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/6 "2008-07-25T21:24:17Z")
> [@damiross](#): > > 5 letters without a number and that are pronounceable are fixes. In theory. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![damiross](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@damiross](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/damiross)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/7 "2008-07-25T22:37:46Z")
> [@sykocus](#): > > > [@damiross](#): > > > > 5 letters without a number and that are pronounceable are fixes. > > In theory. 🙂 Hey, I didn’t say that. The good ol’ FAA said that in Order JO 7350.8C LOCATION IDENTIFIERS Effective 2/14/08, Paragraph 1-2-7 Assignment System sub paragraph f: > A single five-letter pronounceable combination serves as the fix name, assigned identifier and computer code. If a new fix is to be collocated with an existing navigation aid, ILS marker, way point, or other type fix, the original name or name-code applies to both. I do agree that some require a little thought before pronouncing. For example: CAAAS (located in Michigan): Is it prounounced CAS (short vowel sound) CAS (long vowel sound) CA AS (same as before- short or long vowel sounds) ---
**Author:** ![sykocus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discussions.flightaware.com/sykocus/32/86375_2.png) [@sykocus](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/sykocus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2008, 2:33am UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/8 "2008-07-26T02:33:01Z")
> [@damiross](#): > > I do agree that some require a little thought before pronouncing. For example: CAAAS (located in Michigan): Is it prounounced CAS (short vowel sound) CAS (long vowel sound) CA AS (same as before- short or long vowel sounds) It’s not getting any easier. The pool of available “words” is shrinking with every new approach, STAR and DP. Some of my favorites: SADVE, GAFWY, DUCFI, but hardest one to pronounce that I’ve come across is KATQO. My english speaking brain can’t wrap its self around a word with a Q and no U immediately following. ---
**Author:** ![NeedleNose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discussions.flightaware.com/needlenose/32/86946_2.png) [@NeedleNose](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/NeedleNose)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/9 "2008-07-28T19:22:38Z")
> [@sykocus](#): > > > [@damiross](#): > > > > I do agree that some require a little thought before pronouncing. For example: CAAAS (located in Michigan): Is it prounounced CAS (short vowel sound) CAS (long vowel sound) CA AS (same as before- short or long vowel sounds) > > It’s not getting any easier. The pool of available “words” is shrinking with every new approach, STAR and DP. Some of my favorites: SADVE, GAFWY, DUCFI, but hardest one to pronounce that I’ve come across is KATQO. My english speaking brain can’t wrap its self around a word with a Q and no U immediately following. How would you pronounce QANTAS? ---
**Author:** ![QuickBurn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discussions.flightaware.com/quickburn/32/6246_2.png) [@QuickBurn](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/QuickBurn)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/10 "2008-07-28T23:12:15Z")
My favorite: Those coming in here on the GPS-17 are vectored to KESXY, which is usually the initial reporting point for tower. (Kess-key) New-to-area pilot: “Tower, Cessna 123 is with you at…uh…er…8 miles out on the GPS…” ---
**Author:** ![sykocus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/discussions.flightaware.com/sykocus/32/86375_2.png) [@sykocus](https://discussions.flightaware.com/u/sykocus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2008, 3:45am UTC](https://discussions.flightaware.com/t/route-abbreviations/5763/11 "2008-07-29T03:45:04Z")
> [@NeedleNose](#): > > How would you pronounce QANTAS? Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services 😉