Results from FlightAware 1090 MHz ADS-B Antenna - 26 in

there is no “hard and fast” rule as to where the gain should be set. the greater than 5% threshold is simply a way to measure if you are getting bad decodes and overloading your SDR. if you have an airport very close by you can watch for low flying aircraft that are close to your antenna. if you see “interrupted” tracks than you can consider lowering the gain. the choice is if you want maximum aircraft (and are willing to not get good data occasionally on very close aircraft) or if you want to insure that you get good “fidelity” on the close aircraft.
the default gain is -10 (this is “agc” but it doesn’t work for ADS-B signals so it’s the equivalent of a gain of 55 or so.)
if you wish to reduce the amount of signals greater than 5% lower the gain (a smaller number). here are the “allowable” gains. always enter a positive number (except for -10, which very few people on the forum will recommend. you can enter any number the the software will choose the closest “allowable” gain to the value you entered…but easier just to enter one of the values listed below.
Allowable gains for PiAware

0.0 0.9 1.4 2.7 3.7 7.7 8.7 12.5 14.4 15.7 16.6 19.7 20.7 22.9 25.4 28.0 29.7 32.8 33.8 36.4 37.2 38.6 40.2 42.1 43.4 43.9 44.5 48.0 49.6

Note special value of -10.0 is piaware AGC setting…approx. gain is 53 to 55

OK, I’ve got some results of my testing.

TL;DR: My antenna’s better but let me tell you why :slight_smile:

Let me set the stage first…

  • I live in a very strong RF field generated by multiple FM and TV transmitters.
  • I live about 27nm due west of Denver International Airport (KDEN) but because it’s dead flat for hundreds of miles to the east of me, and because I’m about 1000ft higher, I can see the main terminal from my roof.
  • Directly to the west of me are the Rocky Mountains. If you’re not familiar with the Rockies, they just “stick up” with no preamble. They’re a 5 minute walk from me.
  • Both my antenna and the FA antenna are mounted on my north-facing deck, which if not for one tree, would also be able to see KDEN.
  • Both antennas are wired as follows:
    • 10m RG-174 N-male (antenna end) SMA-male (entrance panel end) They’re the length they’d be if mounted on my roof.
    • SMA-female bulkhead connector through the entrance panel.
    • 1m RG-316 SMA male-male.
    • RadarBox “Green” 1090 FlightStick with built-in filter.
    • No other filters (but that changed later)
  • Two instances of dump1090-fa running, configured the same, except for the serial number
    /usr/bin/dump1090-fa --device RBX10900 --gain 40 --max-range 360 --fix --modeac <networkstuff>

This is the 8-hour plot for the FightAware 1090MHz ADS-B Antenna: (all distances in nautical miles)


Over the past few days, I’d been playing with filter/no-filter and at about 0900 today, I took the filter OUT to get a baseline reading. With no filter, reception was DISMAL and if you look at the Signal Level chart, you’ll see why. The receiver is just overloaded. Even though the FlightSticks are supposed to have filters, no amount of gain adjustment could improve the stats. At about 1140, I added a RadarBox Blue ADS-B filter back in and you can see the difference double filtering made. I tried asking RadarBox support where their filter is in the receiver chain but haven’t heard back. I’d suspect it’s NOT at the front :). No amount of gain tweaking improved the stats better than what’s shown.
Oh, the spikes in tracks are from tis-b rebroadcasts from KDEN.


This is the 8-hour plot for my "semi-spider" (more later):


The scales are the same for the FA antenna charts. There is NO additional filter in this chain. Just the one in the FlightStick. Adding the additional filter didn’t change the results enough for me to notice. As with the FA antenna, I started with the gain at 40 and at about 1300 increased it to 43. The signal levels went up but I don’t think there’s a difference in usable messages. I’d have to leave it there for a while to tell.


Conclusions: My antenna performed “better” IN MY ENVIRONMENT than the FA antenna and demonstrates that while a commercial antenna will beat a custom one 95% of the time, there are just some situations where you have to go custom. In this case, I think the combination of the flatter far field and the sharp bandpass of my antenna offset the high field strength of those FM and TV transmitters that look down on me from Lookout Mountain.


For reference, here's the 8 hour plot from my "production" rooftop setup with an earlier version of my the spider: These plots are NOT in the same scale as those above.


And finally, here's the semi-spider:

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I took the suggestion @geckoVN made earlier in this thread and used double length wire for the radials and just wrapped them around the corner screws. Less drilling, fewer screws to fiddle with, performs the same. Just FYI, a simple 4 legged spider does NOT do as well. Still needs the 8 legs.

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That’s really surprising. Many commercial antennas only have three legs. Shows there is not substitute for actually trying it.

Could I suggest a more appropriate Coax?
At 1090MHz, RG174 reduces your signal 1~1.5dB per meter RG316 is about the same).
LL195 or LMR200 would be vastly better.

Yeah I think it really depends on the wavelength and environment. The 3 and 4 radial antennas seem to do better at longer wavelengths where the tips of the radials can be about λ/4 apart and still be long enough to provide a good groundplane. I think keeping that distance at 27cm with 3 or 4 radials in an ideal environment works fine but my environment is far from ideal :slight_smile:

Actually I confused myself. I used RG142 M17/60 double braid shield with ptfe jacket. Has a loss of about 0.45db/m. I used RG174 for a different project with a much shorter run (because I had it on hand).

Oh yeah… The “production” install uses N female-female combination lightning arrestor/bulkhead adapters so I don’t transition to SMA until inside.

8 legs for Spiders is nature’s selection :wink:

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What I found out in my case, with mixed close-by planes (airport at 2 mile) and far-away planes, was that the Dynamic Range of the signals were too much for the normal 8 bit receiver sticks.
I could not find a gain that worked perfectly for both.
So I have switched to Airspy, for their better DR.
Airspy Mini or Airspy R2: 35dBm IIP3 RF front end, 12bit ADC @ 20 MSPS (10.4 ENOB, 70dB SNR, 95dB SFDR).
R2 has a 10MHz “panoramic view spectrum” and it can do easy 20MBPS and even 24MBPS (not very well IMO).
Mini can do 20MBPS (not very well IMO) and it’s “panoramic view” is limited to 6MHz. Strictly for ADS-B it’s sufficient.

PS: I have a FlightFeeder connected to the same antenna feed like my Airspy system, so I can compare their output in real time. I have used both Mini and R2.

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i had the same situation regarding close traffic and distant traffic so i also switched to Airspy Mini…a BIG difference in my ability to see both close traffic without interrupted tracks and distant traffic.

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The Airspys are pretty pricey though. $99US for the mini?

You have to pay the entry fee to play with the big boys :rofl: :money_mouth_face:
Truthfully, like anything else in technology, there is that law of diminishing returns.
Some people will do just fine with the 8 bit receivers and adding the 10-12 bit ones won’t get them anything. I started with the $99 one because… I could afford it. Just abstained from drinking out with my buddies for a month :slight_smile: COVID closing the restaurants/pubs helped.
And then moved to R2 because they had a sale.

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Just to clarify, increasing the value is increasing the gain?

Also, I added an external filter to the Blue Flightaware Dongle, the #'s have drop’d since I added this filter so how do I know if I need this external filter vs setting the gain?

Thanks

yes, increasing value increases gain. also, some people see stats improve when adding the filter, others see stats decrease. if you are in an area with a lot of RF interference near 1090MHz or an area with very high power RF sources then the filter will help. if your area has low levels of RF then the filter adds it’s insertion loss and you will see some reduction in your stats. when you add the filter you can increase the gain a step or two (higher number) to compensate for the insertion loss of the filter.

Thanks, I will try to take the filter out and change the gain.

I’m going to make a new spider to. What the hell. The FA antenna is a let down.

Anyone want to buy a month old FA antenna?

you can also leave the filter in and experiment with the gain. you just have to experiment with all the possibilities.

  1. take filter out and experiment with gain
  2. put filter back inline and experiment with the gain
  3. compare results from 1 and 2 and choose the best for your location

i have had excellent success with the FA antenna…like all parts of the system, the best combination depends on your environment

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Do you notice much difference between the mini and the R2?

Month? You lightweight. :rofl:

Yes, it’s the shipping I’m worried about though. I need a second for when I begin my side-by-side antenna shootout and the FA turned out to be the best of the <$50 shootout I did a few years ago against quite a few other readily available units (for my location), so I use it as my watermark. PM me if you’re serious about selling it.

I’m also looking to buy a DPD and Jetvision if anyone is selling - I wont pay that much retail just for some tests - I already have over 20 antenna ripe for testing. Sorry, I realize this isn’t Craigslist so I apologize if this is against the board rules, but if ya’ll want decent side-by-side tests as I do, I’ll need to get them in my hands :slight_smile:

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Right now, I can run it at 20 and 24 MHz and it’s kind of the same. Especially because with 24 I need to drop a bit the -e option. Plus the traffic is not what used to be before January this year.
If I had an even faster CPU, probably I would go higher on 24MHz, keep the same -e.
Now I have 20MHz with -e 13.5, CPU 95% (one core). For 24MHz, I need to go lower.

I recently moved to the Airspy R2 with LNA/filter and get best results (better than FA blue pro stick plus) with gain 19, -e 8.3 and MLAT sample rate at 12 Mhz. One thing I don’t get (I haven’t read much yet) is does 20 Mhz do anything significant for peeps in the US with very little MLAT traffic like you and me? My assumption was no, and in fact 20 Mhz could impede your MLAT sync in some cases? If it does anything, it is messages, not range or aircraft count (same as a high -e value)?

This is applicable to my case. Even a100-120 bit :wink: receiver cannot improve a non-existing signal - yes, there is no signal in 180° out of 360° as it cannot penetrate my building and reach the indoor antenna. Signals only through a window (where I have placed the antenna) reach the antenna and I get about 180° coverage.

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I find a rather large difference between running 12,20 & 24 MSPS on the Airspy R2. I just tested again on my side by side rigs (3x 5 minute trials averaged, simultaneous VRS output):

Test rig 24 MSPS, -e 9.92 = 93.8% ADS-B messages of my main rig
Test rig 20 MSPS, -e 10.40 = 85.0% ADS-B messages of my main rig
Test rig 12 MSPS, -e 14.40 = 85.2% ADS-B messages of my main rig

All -e settings equated to the same identical 99.8% single core CPU load from airspy_adsb.

I was actually very surprised to see the results, but I tested 3 times! I saw an 10.3% increase in ADS-B message count by jumping to 24MSPS from 20MSPS. I did not fiddle with gain or any other setting not mentioned above. I think it would be interesting to test again during peak traffic hours and then again in the middle of the night… Main is Pi4 and test is RockPi4b with upstream splitter to run UAT hence the lower side by side baseline performance

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You need to adjust the gain when changing the sample rate.
Higher sample rate means there is effectively less signal at the ADC (per sample time).

If that had an effect on your comparison is hard to tell though :slight_smile: