Big 3 Bailout

[tgpopel]

This appears to be one of the jets of one of the Big 3 auto manufacturers that was just shown on CNN.

flightaware.com/live/flight/N511 … /KIAD/KDTW

It is scheduled to leave KIAD shortly for KDTW.

Any ideas which of the Big 3 this belongs to?

[dcgjedde]

According to Airliners.net, a Citation X that formerly carried this registration was registered to General Motors. I don’t know if this is a GM jet, but it is my best guess.

[cerberus]

Ford
GV N301K
GV N300K
Falcon 2000 N330K
Falcon 900EX N404F

General Motors
G350 N5113
G350 N5114
G350 N5115
G350 N5116
G350 N5117
GV N5101
GV N5102

Chrysler
G450 N930DC
G550 N940DC

[mm505]

From Associated Press:

Automakers ran into more resistance from House lawmakers, who chastised the executives for fighting tougher fuel-efficiency standards in the past and questioned their use of private jets while at the same time seeking government handouts.

One of the people on the Representatives side scolded them for not “jet pooling” to Washington DC (all 3 came via their own private jet), and not flying commercial. So, it cost what, a couple grand an hour for their jets, each? I can see why they need bailout.

[JHEM]

The CEOs of the Big 3 can silence these critics in a moment.

Publish a list of all the members of Congress that have borrowed one of their jets to campaign in over the past 50 years.

[cerberus]

A smart answer from one of the Big 3 should have been. There would be a 30% chance if I took a comercial airline from DTW to IAD that I might have missed this important hearing. 28% of departures from DTW are late to very late. How would you congressman feel if I was late because the airlines can’t keep a schedule.

[cerberus]

@tgpopel

This appears to be one of the jets of one of the Big 3 auto manufacturers that was just shown on CNN.

flightaware.com/live/flight/N511 … /KIAD/KDTW

It is scheduled to leave KIAD shortly for KDTW.

Any ideas which of the Big 3 this belongs to?

GM

[BHXUK1]

y not fly into dca? its closer

[BHXUK1]

?fsa

[CessnaCitationX]

@BHXUK1

y not fly into dca? its closer

GA is not allowed into DCA.

[damiross]

@CessnaCitationX

@BHXUK1

y not fly into dca? its closer

GA is not allowed into DCA.

GA is allowed at DCA, under very limited conditions. Here’s what I posted in the President-elect Obama’s aircraft ? topic:

@damiross

Evidently the MD80 was chartered rather than an executive jet due to the absurd, idiotic, and just plain stupid regulations of the Terminally Stupid Administration has regarding general aviation aircraft at DCA. Or, at least that’s what Limbaugh said.

In short, in order to fly a non-commercial aircraft into DCA, you need to have a federal air marshal aboard your aircraft. This marshal must be picked up at one of 20 gateway airports. If your flight originates at an airport other than a gateway airport then you must stop at one of those airports to pick up the marshal.

Then, when you get to DCA, you need to go through security, even though you’ve had this marshal aboard your aircraft and you went through security when you started your flight.

Yes, even though Obama is the president elect, he would still have to go through this because he isn’t president yet.

The rules are:

-48 flights in and out of DCA are allowed each day
-All aircraft must do the following

–TSA inspection of crew and pax
–TSA inspection of accessible and checked luggage and aircraft
–TSA identification checks of each passenger
–Submissionof pax and crew manifests 24 hours in advance
–Enchanced background check for all pax by TSA plus fingerprint based criminal history records check for flight cerw
–Armed security officer on board each flight
–All ops subject to cancellation at at any time
-The last airport departed before arrival DCA must be one of the following (the site details the participating FBO at each airport):
BED, LEX, BOS, BDL, MDW, DAL, MKE, LGA, STL, ISP, MEM, MSP, PBI, PHL, CMH, DCA, SFO, SEA, STP, TEB, IAD, HPN, HOU

Source: tsa.gov/what_we_do/tsnm/gene … ccess.shtm

discussions.flightaware.com/view … curity+tsa

Note that no airports in the Detroit are listed as the last departure point before arriving at DCA. It would have taken them more time to fly to one of the airports listed above then fly to DCA rather than just going to IAD and going via surface means to the hearings.