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TUSpilot



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:14 am    Post subject: Flight Track Issues? Reply with quote

Recently I have noticed that flights will lose their flight track midway through the flight. The line just stops. Why is this? It appears to have started on about the 29th of January because I see one active and one non-active link for many flights. It wouldn't be a problem if it was only a minority of flights that did this, but it looks like more than half and is very annoying.
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kschweik



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, lines stop if the pilot cancels IFR, though I dont know if that was your issue.

What I've noticed over the last week or so is that the times simply are incorrect (e.g. it will say the flight has landed 3 hours ago in CA, but the image will show the plane in the correct place over NV).

Please check out UPS958, it "landed" yesterday 2 hours after its arrival. I've had to go to other flight tracking sites to determine ETAs for about a week now...

Thanks,
-K
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kschweik wrote:
Well, lines stop if the pilot cancels IFR, though I dont know if that was your issue.


In addition to the above, if the line stops close to the destination, there is a good chance there was a handoff from center to approach controller, and the input from the approach controller marks the flight as arrived which will terminate the tracking.

http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?t=4386&highlight=handoff

http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?t=2717&highlight=handoff

Allen
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Also missing icons Reply with quote

Besides flight tracks terminating before they are really done, I've noticed missing airplane icons at the ends of the tracks in the last couple of weeks. The line just ends. -Jan / CID region
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Truncated tracks Reply with quote

Still lot of premature endings to tracks (then missing the airplane icon, also, usually) long before they are supposed to end. Only ran across one that was totally blank (CCP412/413 demonstrates both phenomena). FYI - Jan Iowa (about 12" of snow, mostly this morning, I'm not about to go anywhere just yet)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've noticed the increase in errant early arrival messages over the last week or so, particularly for flights entirely within CONUS.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, all that...and something I noticed the other day...An Eagle flight from LAX had to go around due to rwy 27 minimums at SAN...but FA showed it had arrived right at that time. Yet, it was still tracking. The blue icon turned to green as it went over the water to shoot the ILS 9, and arrived that way...10 minutes after FA said it did.
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newt2264



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When is Flight Aware supose to fix this problem the tracker quits half way thru the flight?
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newt2264



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got This email reponse back tonight:

This is caused by bad data from the FAA data feed. We are well aware of the
problem and are actively working on a fix for this problem. I am sorry that
this is creating difficulties in tracking aircraft.

Best regards,

Collin White
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FlightAware is still a great value. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

QuickBurn wrote:
Yeah, all that...and something I noticed the other day...An Eagle flight from LAX had to go around due to rwy 27 minimums at SAN...but FA showed it had arrived right at that time. Yet, it was still tracking. The blue icon turned to green as it went over the water to shoot the ILS 9, and arrived that way...10 minutes after FA said it did.
Where do you see blue icon's and green icons? On FlightAware?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Airport maps have blue and green aircraft icons to distinguish between aircraft going to/from an airport and aircraft just passing by.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed this too, on all these Midwest flights since about the end of January, such as this one:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MEP830/history/20080207/1440Z/KMKE/KPHX

when the problem gets resolved, are these tracks going to go the full way or are these flights' tracks lost forever?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even after the cancellation message we continue to receive position messages. Once we decide on a fix the old flights will be complete.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long will that be?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Loosing track Reply with quote

The tracking information is being lost on Delta flight 650 from SFO to ATL as I type. Very odd. It actually shows the flight twice, once already having arrived and another with totally wrong times. The Delta web site seems to have correct info.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Post cancellation track info fix Reply with quote

MDuell - Will that also help the terminated tracks of flights coming in from outside of the country? (from europe and hawaii, etc.) - Thnx Jan
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of the TRS flts MSP - MCO in the recent history have only taken 30 minutes or so. Go figure.
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newt2264



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:23 am    Post subject: When will Flight Tracking Get Fixed Reply with quote

How long will this problem continue with the early arrival messages with flights that are still in the air, Mduell?
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kschweik



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, the other flight tracking sites seem to still be able to give me an ETA on the arrival of the flight. Your arrival text msg is coming on time, but the website shows the plane in the air, but never departing or arriving.

-K
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N0AAA
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:37 am    Post subject: Early terminations Reply with quote

UAL632 is going over on the big screen, but the little screen says it terminated half an hour ago and arrival message is generated. Flytecomm shows it in about the right place (but their small screen looks like your big screen!). Any progress on this? 73 Jan / CID (in ice and snowbound Iowa... am I the only one here old enough to remember Lower Slobovia?)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Early terminations Reply with quote

UAL632 is going over on the big screen, but the little screen says it terminated half an hour ago and arrival message is generated. Flytecomm shows it in about the right place (but their small screen looks like your big screen!). Any progress on this? 73 Jan / CID (in ice and snowbound Iowa... am I the only one here old enough to remember Lower Slobovia?)
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:00 am    Post subject: Comical Strip Humor Reply with quote

We'll have to call in Fearless Fosdick to figure this mystery out.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Yep, you're one Reply with quote

CID is at minimums. Freighters holding, show up on the small map but not on the big one (something very large went over very low and slow in the murk while I was letting the dog out. Being a true nerd, I ran in and fired up the computer. I think it was a UPS 763 trying to get into runway 27 (I fired up the scanner as well... being a true nerd I like science fiction and ham radio as well as airplanes. My wife despairs...), anyway, blue plane on the little airport map, nothing on the blowup. I'm guessing UPS916. Got my interest because we only see flavors of RJ anymore (bleacchhhh) most of the time. Noodling around I still see many truncated route lines. Hope you find it (and put the from/to lines back in!). Thanks, Jan nr CID (foot and a half of snow out back)
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