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 Post subject: Gulfstream G-IV vs. G-V
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:21 am 
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I have noticed that the G-IV has 6 windows on the side of the airplane and that seems to be pretty standard in the photos that have been posted.

However I have noticed that a majority of the G-V's in the photos posted have 7 windows. There are a few that are posted and even operate as a G-V that only have six windows. (see the aircraft below). Can someone tell me if these are infact G-V's or if it is an error? I would just like to be able to look at an aircraft at the airport or in a picture and know what type it is.

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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N507QS

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N516GH


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:29 am 
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That second one that he has a picture of N516GH. I followed into Provo on the 12th.

It was VFR and dude was cleared for the visual. he preceded to the Final Approach fix did a full procedure turn, which made have to slow down and hold. I had the Airport in sight 20 miles out.
I was spitting mad...


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 10:31 am 
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According to the FAA N-Number Inquiry, both aircraft in question are G-Vs. I believe the version with 7 windows are GV-SP, or I think its now known as the G550/500.


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The easiest way to tell the difference is the thrust reverser section. A G-IV is bare metal while a G-V is painted.


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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:35 pm 
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In addition to what the others said, the new 350/450/500/550 all have the new style thrust reversers that are painted. The 350/450 have the one foot extension to the fuselage compared to the G4. There is no way to tell a 4 from a 4SP other than to read the serial number on the data plate. The 5 has 6 windows, the 500/550 has 7.
If you want to go back in time a bit further, the 2 and 3 have smaller diameter engines, the 3 has 2 curved windshields, the 2 has 6 flat cockpit windows. The 2 with the G3 wing is the 2B. You can tell the difference in winglets by whether or not it is "blended". If it is a sharp curve, it is a 2B or 3. If it is blended it is a 2SP. If it has props and the crew has hearing aids it is a G1.
And, last but not least, if it has tip tanks there is a one in nineteen chance it's me. 8)


John in Saudi


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porterjet wrote:
In addition to what the others said, the new 350/450/500/550 all have the new style thrust reversers that are painted. The 350/450 have the one foot extension to the fuselage compared to the G4. There is no way to tell a 4 from a 4SP other than to read the serial number on the data plate. The 5 has 6 windows, the 500/550 has 7.
If you want to go back in time a bit further, the 2 and 3 have smaller diameter engines, the 3 has 2 curved windshields, the 2 has 6 flat cockpit windows. The 2 with the G3 wing is the 2B. You can tell the difference in winglets by whether or not it is "blended". If it is a sharp curve, it is a 2B or 3. If it is blended it is a 2SP. If it has props and the crew has hearing aids it is a G1.
And, last but not least, if it has tip tanks there is a one in nineteen chance it's me. 8)





John in Saudi



Bravo! I could see the differences in the engine sizes, windshields etc, it was throwing me for a loop, plus I didn't have the time to really explore the question so I knew you fine people would help out. Thanks for all the help!


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porterjet....without looking at the thrust reversers, do you know how to tell the difference btwn a iv/ivsp and 450?


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n77aw wrote:
porterjet....without looking at the thrust reversers, do you know how to tell the difference btwn a iv/ivsp and 450?

Image Ooo, Ooo, I know, I know....


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lets hear it azav8r!!


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n77aw wrote:
porterjet....without looking at the thrust reversers, do you know how to tell the difference btwn a iv/ivsp and 450?

Look at the certificate of airworthiness located just inside the aircraft


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easier, damiross.....you can tell from 100yds of yards away....any thoughts


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n77aw wrote:
lets hear it azav8r!!

No more windscreen wipers on the G450 and the MED has been moved a couple of feet aft vs. the G-IV/SP. Those two changes and the redesigned engine nacelles with the Nordam reversers are the "at a glance" tells. :wink:


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n77aw wrote:
porterjet....without looking at the thrust reversers, do you know how to tell the difference btwn a iv/ivsp and 450?


The easiest way that I know of is that the one foot stretch is between the door and the cockpit. Is that the one you mean?


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What's a MED


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lol, I guess we were typing at the same time.


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Main Entry Door.


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porterjet wrote:
lol, I guess we were typing at the same time.

:wink:


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Also the 450 pilots don't have to go to the gym every day.


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porterjet wrote:
Also the 450 pilots don't have to go to the gym every day.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:35 pm 
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Old one...

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/phot ... e=GLF4;o=5

New one...

http://flightaware.com/photos/view/phot ... =GLF4;o=85


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:17 am 
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That's too easy since all NetJets 450s end in "5'


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flyboy97222 wrote:
That second one that he has a picture of N516GH. I followed into Provo on the 12th.

It was VFR and dude was cleared for the visual. he preceded to the Final Approach fix did a full procedure turn, which made have to slow down and hold. I had the Airport in sight 20 miles out.
I was spitting mad...


So with an ILS, RNAV, & VOR/DME approaches that are all straight in from the North or a nice short ARC from the South this guy picked the plain old VOR? The only approach out of the 4 that has a PT! I think I followed this Idiot out. I took off after a G that continued flying into traffic, that HE reported in site. He only deviated from the DP after getting an RA, so much for visiual separation :roll: :roll: :?


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Same kind of pilots that start up their MU2 in front of the FBO then sit there for 18 minutes doing every check in the book. When they do taxi out they use full power and fill the hangar behind them full of dirt.


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porterjet wrote:
Same kind of pilots that start up their MU2 in front of the FBO then sit there for 18 minutes doing every check in the book. When they do taxi out they use full power and fill the hangar behind them full of dirt.


Says the guy in the G-II! :P


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damiross wrote:
n77aw wrote:
porterjet....without looking at the thrust reversers, do you know how to tell the difference btwn a iv/ivsp and 450?

Look at the certificate of airworthiness located just inside the aircraft

When was the last time you asked to look inside a G Five to check the airworthiness cert?


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