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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 3:57 pm 
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So that 3 of us with a Pi 2 that gives timing errors for M-LAT with kernel version 4.9.x that was resolved by downgrading to 4.5.x... I've no idea why either but I can live with that as I'd rather have stability. I'll continue to update the Pi software as normal however I'll not be running rpi-update for a while! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2017 5:05 pm 
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You might want to report the problem upstream to the Pi Foundation

(timing errors generally mean that USB traffic is being dropped, presumably in the kernel's USB stack in this case)


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:31 pm 
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sebgray wrote:
So that 3 of us with a Pi 2 that gives timing errors for M-LAT with kernel version 4.9.x that was resolved by downgrading to 4.5.x... I've no idea why either but I can live with that as I'd rather have stability. I'll continue to update the Pi software as normal however I'll not be running rpi-update for a while! :roll:



And another one which makes 4. I upgraded to a yellow flight stick and dump1090-mutability and had a huge increase in position reports that I had to upgrade to a Pi2 (CPU overload in the PiiB). I thought it was the increase in volume that triggered the mlat issue, until I saw this thread. I downgraded to 4.5.x and it has been running fine for the last 5 hours.

I guess it is an issue that the dump1090-mutability folks should take up with the pi firmware folks.

Is anyone using a Pi 3 getting these issues??

thanks for the pointer sebgrey 8)


EDIT with update: after 2.5 days using the 4.5.x firmware MLAT is still working very well, no drops at all :D

Roger


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 6:14 pm 
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Some possibly related issues: https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/753 https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/1998


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:23 am 
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g7ruh wrote:

Is anyone using a Pi 3 getting these issues??

Roger


I have a 2nd pi3 running 4.9 Kernel/piaware v3.50 and it seems ok, been running it for about 3-4 days with the new kernel.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:58 am 
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conligwx wrote:
g7ruh wrote:

Is anyone using a Pi 3 getting these issues??

Roger


I have a 2nd pi3 running 4.9 Kernel/piaware v3.50 and it seems ok, been running it for about 3-4 days with the new kernel.


thanks, that confirms my findings:

I have replaced the offending Pi 2 with a Pi 3 and the 4.9.x kernel and it has been working fine for 3 days, so it seems to be a Pi2 only issue. I will use the P2 elsewhere.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 10:27 am 
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I have 2 RPi 2 that experienced this problem after upgrade to 4.9 & resolved when downgraded to 4.5

sebgray wrote:
So that 3 of us with a Pi 2 that gives timing errors for M-LAT with kernel version 4.9.x that was resolved by downgrading to 4.5.x... I've no idea why either but I can live with that as I'd rather have stability. I'll continue to update the Pi software as normal however I'll not be running rpi-update for a while! :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 5:01 pm 
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I suffered this issue on a high-profile/high-traffic (remote) piaware site of mine. I was going crazy trying to figure it out (my raspbian upgrade coincided with my upgrade to 3.5.0 and other changes)...

Sincerest thanks to the folks that figured this out, determined the solution and posted it...!! :D


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:43 am 
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Reverting Kernel worked for both my PIs...
Not great, but at least working.

Many thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 7:57 am 
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sebgray wrote:
So that 3 of us with a Pi 2 that gives timing errors for M-LAT with kernel version 4.9.x that was resolved by downgrading to 4.5.x... I've no idea why either but I can live with that as I'd rather have stability. I'll continue to update the Pi software as normal however I'll not be running rpi-update for a while! :roll:

add +1 to the statistics:
Pi2 MLAT clock stable with kernel 4.4.50 but not 4.9.xx
Pi3 MLAT clock stable with kernel 4.9.29, too.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 2:15 pm 
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+1

Listed on Github

https://github.com/jprochazka/adsb-rece ... -303758098


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:39 pm 
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I have some anomalous MLAT data. On May 18th, I got a spike in MLAT position reports and since then, the number has tanked. Its been relatively constant for months. Also, the number of airplanes has remained relatively constant even as the number of reports has dropped off the table.

I'm not sure what is going on. Any insight as to cause. I uses the standard FA 3.1 SD card. This behavior is the same on both of my sites, so I don't think its related to my system or configuration.

Thanks

Tony


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 6:46 pm 
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tonyscanga wrote:
standard FA 3.1 SD card

Upgrading to 3.5.0 would be a starting point.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:04 pm 
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Upgraded one of my sites to 3.5 and No Joy. MLAT stats are still much lower than over the last 10 months.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:44 pm 
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Your receiver probably moved from a pair of regions (near their border) to a single region when the regions were expanded.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:17 pm 
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obj wrote:
Your receiver probably moved from a pair of regions (near their border) to a single region when the regions were expanded.



I don't understand what that means? Did something change internally? I'm also confused, as I'm seeing a similar number of MLAT aircraft, but a huge drop in positions.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:04 pm 
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tonyscanga wrote:
Did something change internally?

Yes, it is an internal change.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:21 am 
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After seeing this issue on the 4.9.24-v7+ kernel on my RPi 2, I haven't had any issues after an rpi-update to the following kernel and firmware yesterday afternoon:

Code:
~ $ uname -a
Linux piaware.lan 4.9.30-v7+ #1001 SMP Fri May 26 16:09:18 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux

~ $ /opt/vc/bin/vcgencmd version
May 30 2017 15:23:29
Copyright (c) 2012 Broadcom
version b8cdd5ae76f39d9f353dfa8fb48bf7e33b74903c (clean) (release)


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 10:17 am 
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Tested

Linux piaware.lan 4.9.30-v7+ #1001 SMP Fri May 26 16:09:18 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux

After reboot within 5 minutes MLAT anomalies time errors.

Reverted back :( to

sudo rpi-update 52241088c1da59a359110d39c1875cda56496764


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 1:17 pm 
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bramjacobse wrote:
Tested

Linux piaware.lan 4.9.30-v7+ #1001 SMP Fri May 26 16:09:18 BST 2017 armv7l GNU/Linux

After reboot within 5 minutes MLAT anomalies time errors.


Same.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:28 am 
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sebgray wrote:
sudo rpi-update 52241088c1da59a359110d39c1875cda56496764

+1 as well, and on two feeders. Strangely I believe both of mine were working with the 4.9.x kernel and then both, at the same time, stopped. There may have been a brown out when this happened so this seems to point at an underlying degrading h/w issue not working with the 4.9.x kernels? Dunno, but the reversion resolved the issue.

** Edit: Deleted question **
rpi-firmware repo contains the rpi-update firmware updates.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:38 pm 
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My Pi2 started playing up a little over a week ago, finally reverted today, so far so good.
Strangely my original Pi is running 4.9.24 and doesn't exhibit the issue.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:36 am 
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My kernel got bumped to 4.9.x again, and when attempting

sudo rpi-update 52241088c1da59a359110d39c1875cda56496764

I receive a message "Your firmware is already up to date".

Any idea on how I can revert once again?


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 12:49 pm 
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I had the same issue Matthew, so I've done that :

sudo rpi-update

sudo rpi-update 52241088c1da59a359110d39c1875cda56496764

No need to reboot between the two rpi-update.


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 Post subject: Re: MLAT Anomalies
PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:40 am 
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gl2o wrote:
I had the same issue Matthew, so I've done that :

sudo rpi-update

sudo rpi-update 52241088c1da59a359110d39c1875cda56496764

No need to reboot between the two rpi-update.


I had the same issue too and carried out the above commands, very annoying as I didn't initiate a firmware update. Sometimes it must come through with the normal packages...


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