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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:09 am 
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Were are your 772F's? :D

Easy there, I'm already in enough debt with the other ones! :lol:


Just forget the other ones. I would go with the B-744's and B-772's! :D

Or a big boy... 777-300!!!


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will744 wrote:
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Were are your 772F's? :D

Easy there, I'm already in enough debt with the other ones! :lol:


Just forget the other ones. I would go with the B-744's and B-772's! :D

Or a big boy... 777-300!!!


Not a 300 series Will, but here's a cool vid of a 772 doing a picture perfect go around, shot from in front of the right wing/engine area. And I don't remember if it was you or not, but this shows the condensation forming on the top of the wings (around the 3:30 mark) as the jet is climbing out (for whomever was asking about that before). cool stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPBmHQGzdo0#t=2m0s

And whoever posted it even linked to the FA flight log!


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COOL! Thanks. :D


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Now that we are talking about 777's, does this one have RR engines, or no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HYuPghe9gk&feature=related


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why would you want to be a ceo in an industry that is at the whim of so many things that you have no control over. you cant control fuel prices, you dont have a direct relationship with your employees (union), you deal with the public, your industry has been unprofitable for most of its existance.

its like the california gold rush days, the miners didnt get rich, the people that boarded them and the shops that sold supplies are the ones that got rich.

If i was a ceo of an airline, id sell it and be the airport that boards the airplanes, or be the airline manufacture that supplies the airlines with airplanes and parts.

airlines/airplanes are a luxury not a necessity like people think. when times get rough, i dont turn to flying more and driving less, i drive more and fly less.

its like the postal service too, with email and unlimmited long distance on cell phones , personal letters have fallen by more than 75%. the post office survives by packages. same thing with airlines, with teleconfrencing and high prices, pax and companies are motivated to fly less and use cheaper means to do business, airlines are surviving by packages or cargo.


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This thread is just for fun... kinda... :P


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[quote="MeekRN"] or be the airline manufacture that supplies the airlines with airplanes and parts.

Ooh ooh - I know the guy that just bought Eclipse! (That's as close as I'll ever get to this pipe dream...)


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Im trying to think of a scenerio that has a manufacturer making a product at a loss, than a customer using that product to make a profit also at a loss, then a consumer using that final product, at a small cost. only thing i can think of is the government, oh and airlines. seems like the winners are the pax and anybody getting a pay check.


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The Airline industry is very successful when compared to Passenger Rail and Mass Transit - especially when you realize how much government makes off the industry in fuel taxes, pfc's, 9/11 tax, customs fees, and landing fees. The airline industry is only slightly unprofitable (though consistently so). Amtrak is subsidized to the tune of 50%. Some mass transit systems are subsidized at 90% or more!


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understood, im not saying other forms of transportation are better or even cheaper, maybe if we didnt subsidize other forms more would fly and be profitable.


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Hmmm. If I were the CEO of my own airline, I'd do the following. I'd hire the best crews and pay them well to avoid my employees trying to unionize against me. Then I build strong relations with 2 or 3 major airlines and become their feeder service. Continental, United, or Aero Mexico.

I'd invest in the Embraer 170/190 variants and of course my hubs would be where ever my alliance airlines tell me to fly from. Then when things start to get sticky, I might fly some of the EAS routes until the industry was healthy again.


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will744 wrote:
Now that we are talking about 777's, does this one have RR engines, or no?

Yep, those are Rolls Royce Trent 892's. All of Emirates 777's use the RR Trents except the 777-300ERs which use the GE-90-115B as it is the only engine available. The description says the plane in the video is A6-EMP and that is a standard 777-300.


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Yea, that is what I thought; the 777-300 has the RR's, and the -300ER has the GE's. I like the GE-90's best! :D


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Yea, that is what I thought; the 777-300 has the RR's, and the -300ER has the GE's. I like the GE-90's best! :D


Funny thing is most of the cast parts for both are made in the same factory in Portland OR


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No hubs, although there will be connecting opportunities at many airports
All coach aircraft
Various models of one type of aircraft (probably 737 - it's a very versatile aircraft)
Decent leg room (at least 32")
No charge for the first two pieces of luggage; reasonable rates for the 3rd and 4th piece
Free peanuts and/or pretzels and/or chips on shorter flights
The above plus cookies and/or crackers on longer flights (over ~2 hours)
Service to smaller airports in areas with more than one airport in addition to the main airport in the area

Wait! That sounds familiar but I just can't put my finger on what is familiar about it :)


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Dami, Your airline sound's a lot like the one porterjet and I proposed...

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My airline would provide service between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio with three 737-200's and no matter what anyone thinks, this airline will never operate with hubs.


The only way that would work is if you hired a bunch of young, good looking stewardesses and made them wear hot pants.


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Bags fly free on my airline...


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Interesting, I didnt know Pan Am had those type of A/C in thier fleet. Learn something everyday. And as far as a J31, I wouldnt kick one out of bed, they look pretty nice. And the price? Holy hell, a Beech 1900 goes for more than that! :shock:


Let's be perfectly clear about this. Pan-Am, the real Pan-Am (the once great and mighty Pan-Am), never operated these.

Boston-Maine airways operated under the Pan-Am name, because its parent company bought the rights to the name only. The DOT shut them down in 2008, after finding a whole raft of financial, safety, and management issues.

Ironically, Boston-Maine brought on the scrutiny by bidding on some EAS routes in New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Maine_Airways


FlyNYC, I disagree with you that the original, once great and mighty Pan Am, did not operate Jetstreams. I should know, as I used to fly them. Pan Am Express (1986-1991), wholly owned by the original Pan American World Airways, operated the Jetstream J-32 (all brand new in 1990 and not J-31s), from their Miami hub from 1990 until they were sold to Trans World Airlines as Trans World Express in 1991.


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pfp217 wrote:
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Interesting, I didnt know Pan Am had those type of A/C in thier fleet. Learn something everyday. And as far as a J31, I wouldnt kick one out of bed, they look pretty nice. And the price? Holy hell, a Beech 1900 goes for more than that! :shock:


Let's be perfectly clear about this. Pan-Am, the real Pan-Am (the once great and mighty Pan-Am), never operated these.

Boston-Maine airways operated under the Pan-Am name, because its parent company bought the rights to the name only. The DOT shut them down in 2008, after finding a whole raft of financial, safety, and management issues.

Ironically, Boston-Maine brought on the scrutiny by bidding on some EAS routes in New York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Maine_Airways



Very true, definitely no relation to the real Pan Am! Pan Am 1 did have a subsidiary though, "Pan Am Express back in the 80s that operated J31s and ATRs.
TWA bought the company during Pan Am's demise and operated it as Trans World Express. TWA even referred to it as PanAm Express after TWA bought them.
As mentioned though, the only similarity between the two (and the Pan Am 2 of the mid 90s with A300s or 310s) is the globe on the tail and nothing more!


pfp217, Pan Am Express (1986-1991) was owned by the real Pan Am, and operated ATR42s, J32s, and DHC-7s. The similarity between the two was that they were both part of Pan Am Corporation and the pilots were all on the same seniority list.


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jimbabwe wrote:
FlyNYC, I disagree with you that the original, once great and mighty Pan Am, did not operate Jetstreams. I should know, as I used to fly them. Pan Am Express (1986-1991), wholly owned by the original Pan American World Airways, operated the Jetstream J-32 (all brand new in 1990 and not J-31s), from their Miami hub from 1990 until they were sold to Trans World Airlines as Trans World Express in 1991.


I stand corrected. I didn't even think about Express, just the sad operation that was Boston-Maine.


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FlyNYC wrote:
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FlyNYC, I disagree with you that the original, once great and mighty Pan Am, did not operate Jetstreams. I should know, as I used to fly them. Pan Am Express (1986-1991), wholly owned by the original Pan American World Airways, operated the Jetstream J-32 (all brand new in 1990 and not J-31s), from their Miami hub from 1990 until they were sold to Trans World Airlines as Trans World Express in 1991.


I stand corrected. I didn't even think about Express, just the sad operation that was Boston-Maine.


Yes, Boston-Maine was a sad use of the great Pan Am name. Pan Am Express' Miami operation was short-lived, but good fun. It's too bad its short history is not better documented.


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MeekRN wrote:
its like the california gold rush days, the miners didnt get rich, the people that boarded them and the shops that sold supplies are the ones that got rich.



Kind of off topic, but I remember reading a quote from Sir Richard Branson that went something like... "How does one become a millionaire? Easy, take a billionaire and buy an airline."


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7576pilot wrote:
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its like the california gold rush days, the miners didnt get rich, the people that boarded them and the shops that sold supplies are the ones that got rich.



Kind of off topic, but I remember reading a quote from Sir Richard Branson that went something like... "How does one become a millionaire? Easy, take a billionaire and buy an airline."


Who wants to tell him?


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Who wants to tell him?



Um... why do I get the feeling I am about to be embarrassed.


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Ehhh...it's no big thing.... You just quoted some drivel from a nutjob who was suspected of killing a woman while she was jogging, and is also suspected of foul play in the disappearance of his roomate. Oh...and I said "was" as after all of that he went back to mommy's house in CA and killed himself.

Who knew?......


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