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 Post subject: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:23 pm 
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Did a search for this, but didn't find much.

I always found it interesting when planes rolled up on our ramp and pastors got out. Personal convictions aside, what are some aircraft that yall know of that are operated by ministries/pastors/churches (other than purely missionary based organizations, like MAF, JAARS, Compassion, etc.) Those guys are flying food and medicine to the poorest parts of the world. I'm talking about the guys jetting around in their (or their congregation's) Global, G-IV, Lear, Hawker, etc.

I know of a pastor (can't remember his name, I know his church is in Ohio) that flies a 747SP. I also know of a ministry that flies a Global Express (I'll give you a hint...their TV network's initials are TBN). They really should just put the direct line of their home base FBO so you can call in and "sow your seed" with a contribution to their fuel and hangar space. Alright, line guys we know yall see em, now let's hear about em.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:39 pm 
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N104VV use to belong to a church in Texas they bought a GV and sold the GII


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:13 pm 
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One mega church I know of did let their people know that they had a jet and how they used it - Rhema Church in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. They own Canadair Challenger N91KH.

They've used it for missionary trips to the South Pacific and Africa.

Personally, I don't have any problems with churches use aircraft as long as they are up front with their congregations about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:01 am 
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jetfuelsolutions wrote:

I know of a pastor (can't remember his name, I know his church is in Ohio) that flies a 747SP. .


The 747SP belongs to faith healer Ernest Angley

http://www.ernestangley.org/

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... rch=P4-FSH

Ernest Angley's Jet lands hard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6qcL0W2O9E


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:49 am 
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All of these aircraft are used to enrich the churches they're associated with and, directly or indirectly, the frauds that front for these "churches".


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:12 am 
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That's a generalization.

There are businesses that use business owned/leased aircraft in a responsible way. There are churches that do the same. But the vast majority of both do use their aircraft responsibly. You just don't hear about the latter because it doesn't make the news (i.e. the "if it bleeds it leads" theory of news).


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:35 am 
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rw812 wrote:
That's a generalization.

Absent the aforementioned "purely missionary based organizations, like MAF, JAARS, Compassion, etc." these large US churches/corporations do not use their aircraft responsibly, for there is no act they engage in that is directly beneficial to their worshippers. Even when they're used to ferry the favored politician du-jour around, it's ALL for the greater glory of their preachers.

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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:19 pm 
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JHEM wrote:
rw812 wrote:
That's a generalization.

Absent the aforementioned "purely missionary based organizations, like MAF, JAARS, Compassion, etc." these large US churches/corporations do not use their aircraft responsibly, for there is no act they engage in that is directly beneficial to their worshippers. Even when they're used to ferry the favored politician du-jour around, it's ALL for the greater glory of their preachers.

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Again, that's a generalization. There's been a lot of police officers killing people lately. Does that mean ALL cops are killers? No. That would be a generalization.

Are you against just churches having aircraft or all nonprofits having aircraft?


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:25 pm 
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Agape Church: Cessna 500 (N700VC)
Creflo Dollar/World Changers Church: Learjet 25B (N65A)
Dave Roever/Roever Evangelistic Assocation: Learjet 25D (N43DR)
Eagle Mountain Int'l Church (Kenneth Copeland): Cessna 500 N501KG; Cessna 550 (N888H)S; Cessna 750 (N1962J)
Fred Price/Crenshaw Christian Center: Grumman G-1159 (N132FP)
From the Heart Church Ministries: Gulfstream G-1159A (N357PR)
Greg Powe Ministries: Rockwell NA-265-60 (N141SL)
Jerry Savelle Ministries: Cessna 500 (N715JS)
Jesse Duplantis Ministries: Dassault Falcon 50 (N770JD)
John Hagee Ministries: Cessna 650 (N800GM)
Joyce Meyer Ministries: Canadair CL-600 (N7JM)
Kenneth Hagin Jr./Rhema Bible Church: Canadair CL-600-2B16 (N91KH)
Leroy Thompson Sr./Word of Life Christian Center: Cessna 650 (N818DE)
Mark Cowart/Church for All Nations: Learjet 24D (N929MC)
Michael Freeman/Spirit of Faith Christian Center: Grumman G-1159 (N685SF)
Moore Life Ministries: Cessna 421C (N74KP); Cessna 560 (N61KM)
Nahum Rosario/Maranatha World Revival: Cessna 550 (N741T)
Paula White/Without Walls Int'l Church: Grumman G-1159 (N374PS)
Tony Brazelton/Victory Christian Ministries: Rockwell NA-265-60 (N1GM)
Word of Faith Christian Center: Learjet 24D (N711PC); Hawker HS-125-700A (N225BJ)
Word of God Fellowship: Cessna 550 (N717DT)


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:17 pm 
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Thanks, mm505, for the list.
I've added the URL or the following notes:
NF: URL but no flights shown for the last 7 months
NT: Not trackable (i.e. blocked)
NO: New or different owner shown on URL

Red indicates ministries I've added

Agape Church: Cessna 500 (N700VC) NF
Calvary Baptist Church Cessna 180 N7766N http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N7766N
Christian Fellowship Church Piper PA46 N41874 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N41874
Church Business Ministries Cessna 172 N3936U http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N3936U
Church on the Rock Cessna 421 N472JM http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N472JM

Creflo Dollar/World Changers Church: Learjet 25B (N65A) NT
Dave Roever/Roever Evangelistic Assocation: Learjet 25D (N43DR) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N43DR
Eagle Mountain Int'l Church (Kenneth Copeland): Cessna 500 N501KG; Cessna 550 (N888H)S; Cessna 750 (N1962J) NT, NO, NT
Faith Baptist Church Aviation Ministry Beech 35 N903Q http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N903Q
Fred Price/Crenshaw Christian Center: Grumman G-1159 (N132FP) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N132FP
From the Heart Church Ministries: Gulfstream G-1159A (N357PR) NT
Greg Powe Ministries: Rockwell NA-265-60 (N141SL) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N141SL
Jerry Savelle Ministries: Cessna 500 (N715JS) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N715JS
Jesse Duplantis Ministries: Dassault Falcon 50 (N770JD) NT
John Hagee Ministries: Cessna 650 (N800GM) NT&NO
Joyce Meyer Ministries: Canadair CL-600 (N7JM) NT
Kenneth Hagin Jr./Rhema Bible Church: Canadair CL-600-2B16 (N91KH) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N91KH
Leroy Thompson Sr./Word of Life Christian Center: Cessna 650 (N818DE) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N818DE
Mark Cowart/Church for All Nations: Learjet 24D (N929MC) NO
Michael Freeman/Spirit of Faith Christian Center: Grumman G-1159 (N685SF) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N685SF
Moore Life Ministries: Cessna 421C (N74KP); Cessna 560 (N61KM)http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N74KP http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N61KM
Nahum Rosario/Maranatha World Revival: Cessna 550 (N741T) NO
Paula White/Without Walls Int'l Church: Grumman G-1159 (N374PS) NT
Quentin Road Bible Baptist Church Cirrus N385C SR22 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N385C
Tony Brazelton/Victory Christian Ministries: Rockwell NA-265-60 (N1GM) http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N1GM
Word of Faith Christian Center: Learjet 24D (N711PC); Hawker HS-125-700A (N225BJ) NF, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N225BJ
Word of God Fellowship: Cessna 550 (N717DT) NT


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:17 am 
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Joyce Meyer Ministries actually sold their CL60 and bought a G-IV a few years ago based in St. Louis.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:40 pm 
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It's amazing that in order to spread the word of God, you MUST have a $1m+ jet to do it in! My preacher flies commercial!


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:37 pm 
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MAKE MODEL REG# COMPANY
CITATION 500 N501DA A Glorious Church Fellowship, Inc. 
CITATION 500 N700VC Agape Church, Inc. 
CESSNA 421B N333CJ Canaan Land Church, Inc. 
PIPER MIRAGE N80JB Christian Air Brotherhood, LLC 
PIPER MALIBU JETPROP N41874 Christian Fellowship Church, Inc. 
ROBINSON R44 II N777CN Christian Television Network 
CITATION 500 N17KD Christian Worship Center of Alexandria 
KING AIR C90 N908K Church Management, TC 
CESSNA 421C N472JM Church on the Rock, Inc. 
GULFSTREAM G-II N132FP Crenshaw Christian Center Church 
CITATION BRAVO N1967J Eagle Mountain Int'l Church, Inc. 
CITATION X N1962J Eagle Mountain Int'l Church, Inc. 
CESSNA 421C N74KP Faith Life Church, Inc. 
CITATION V N61KM Faith Life Church, Inc. 
CITATION EXCEL N627QS Fellowship Travel Corporation 
Piper Meridian N618ST First Baptist Church of Glanaden
GULFSTREAM G-III N357PR From the Heart Church Ministries 
BELL 206L-1 LONGRANGER II N64FC Full Counsel Christian Fellowship 
FALCON 50 N914JH Grace Church of San Antonio 
BARON 58 N619W Int'l. Gospel Outreach Church, Inc. 
CITATION II N173AA Koinonia Christian Center Church 
CITATION EXCEL N562DD LIFE Outreach Int'l Assoc. Churches 
GULFSTREAM G-III N302ST Living Word Christian Center 
BELL 206L-3 LONGRANGER N312NL New Light Church World Outreach, Inc. 
BELL 206B JETRANGER II N867CH Northview Christian Church 
CESSNA 421B N123BT Producing Faith Church, Inc. 
CHALLENGER 601-3A N91KH RHEMA Bible Church, Inc. 
BELL 407 N95WB Spirit of Faith Christian Center 
GULFSTREAM G-IV N685SF Spirit of Faith Christian Center 
BELL 206B-3 JETRANGER III N107PH The Agape International Church 
SABRELINER 60ELXM N1GM Victory Christian Ministries Int'l. 
SABRELINER 65 N117JW Victory Christian Ministries Int'l. 
WESTWIND 2 N777HD White Dove Fellowship, Inc. 
HAWKER 125-700A N225BJ Word of Faith Int'l Christian Center 
CHALLENGER 600 N444ET Word of God Fellowship, Inc. 
CITATION III N818DE Word of Life Christian Center, Inc. 
FALCON 900 N699BG Word of Life Christian Center,


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:58 pm 
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If I'm going to be flying with the word of the Lord, I'm going with these guys!

Hook me up with a Kodiak!


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If I'm going to be flying with the word of the Lord, I'm going with these guys!

Hook me up with a Kodiak!


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If I'm going to be flying with the word of the Lord, I'm going with these guys!

Hook me up with a Kodiak!


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If I'm going to be flying with the word of the Lord, I'm going with these guys!

Hook me up with a Kodiak!


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:54 am 
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Stonesurfer wrote:
If I'm going to be flying with the word of the Lord, I'm going with these guys!

Hook me up with a Kodiak!

This is a great ministry!


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:20 am 
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Kodiak is legit. They do such a great service to aviation ministries. I emailed a church in Maryland asking them what exactly they do with their Bell 407 and G-IV. Their G-IV is not blocked and I've tracked it all over the Caribbean, which could be for mission trips, however I don't know about any missions groups going to Punta Cana, the vacation capital of the DR. They have not responded.
I remember when the earthquake in Haiti happened, several businesses deployed their a/c. A huge mortgage company out of Birmingham, AL flew their Gulfstream there twice a week in the months following the quake. Pretty sad when corporations are using their jets to do more good that actual churches or ministries!
This idea of "I'm a child of the King, so I deserve the best" has run rampant in the American church. This "prosperity gospel" is deplorable.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:43 am 
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Church/Religion is BIG business, pretty sad when poor people that can hardly put shoes on their kids give money to the church to use for their G-VI.
There no doubt that churches give back to their communities but the cost to give back is miniscule compared to the income a large church makes.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:49 am 
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Planes? That's so low rent. You need your own airport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Copeland_Airport

This is the same ministry that purchased a Citation X a while ago. There's a great video somewhere of the unveiling. They invited the donors to see the plane. It's funny and sad all at the same time.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:19 am 
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Who knew Religion was such a profitable business.....I didn't see if it was mentioned or not, but Benny Hinn has a G4, and Jerry Falwell owns Falwell Aviation: http://www.flyfalwell.com

Just like how Muslim extremists give Islam a bad name, these guys give Christianity a bad name.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:47 am 
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mboette wrote:
Jerry Falwell owns Falwell Aviation: http://www.flyfalwell.com

Incorrect. Liberty University owns Falwell Aviation.

Prior to being merged with Liberty University, Falwell Aviation was owned by Calvin and Lawrence Falwell, first cousins of the late Jerry Falwell, Sr. The started the company in 1948. It was merged in Liberty University in January 2010, nearly 3 years after Falwell passed away.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:18 am 
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rw812 wrote:
mboette wrote:
Jerry Falwell owns Falwell Aviation: http://www.flyfalwell.com

Incorrect. Liberty University owns Falwell Aviation.

Prior to being merged with Liberty University, Falwell Aviation was owned by Calvin and Lawrence Falwell, first cousins of the late Jerry Falwell, Sr. The started the company in 1948. It was merged in Liberty University in January 2010, nearly 3 years after Falwell passed away.


Oh ok, well there is still a fairly close connection there.


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 Post subject: Re: Pastors with planes...
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:44 pm 
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I bet Benny Hinn, Falwell, Bakker, all the big evangelists had jets in their day.


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