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 Post subject: E-Readers and Jeppesen
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:33 am 
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My Jeppesen subscription for paper approach plates renews in December and I went to Jeppeson.com looking for a e-reader version of the plates. Found nothing. I think I heard you can get them in a e-reader format, pdf even. Anyone?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:48 am 
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Do you mean THIS Frank?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:44 pm 
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azav8r wrote:
Do you mean THIS Frank?


Yea, but I want the $260 model not the $1600 (are they fricking crazy?) model.

http://www.solidfx.com/SOLIDFX_FX10.htm

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0015T963C/?ta ... 0acmbvaz_e


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Ahhh.... I gotcha. You're looking for a budget unit to run the software, not the Jepp software itself.

Sorry...I'm not that into the EFB scene. I use JeppView and aircraft specific chart software. :wink:


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azav8r wrote:
Ahhh.... I gotcha. You're looking for a budget unit to run the software, not the Jepp software itself.


I just want something to display the plate. The eReaders show PDF files and that's all one would need. However, Jeppesen would have to be on board with this.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:32 pm 
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Hey Frank I was talking to a LJ-45 driver the other day and he showed me a very small loptop with all the charts in it. I think he said they bought them at Banyon (located at my home field) I can stop by monday and look at the price for you.


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For that matter you could use any compact laptop...preferably one that has a reversable display.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:12 pm 
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azav8r wrote:
For that matter you could use any compact laptop...preferably one that has a reversable display.


I'm thinking get an eReader that displays PDF files and simply download the ones I need in PDF format from AOPA. It would be much easier if Jeppesen or the fed's got on board with this and placed everything in a PDF file and we could download monthly updates.

The eReader looks like it would sit on a yoke. A laptop is bulky, it has to boot up and the HDD quits above 9,000 feet.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:17 pm 
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Hey Frank I was talking to a LJ-45 driver the other day and he showed me a very small loptop with all the charts in it. I think he said they bought them at Banyon (located at my home field) I can stop by monday and look at the price for you.


Thanks, no. A harddisk fails at altitude.


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Thanks, no. A harddisk fails at altitude.

The new solid state HDs don't have that problem.

Capacity is still severely limited though.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:27 am 
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There is hope!!!

Otherwise, here is the latest news on the Kindle DX and it's value to pilots. AirBrief will be providing approach charts, weather charts, AF/D info, and trip kits, delivered directly to the new device.

Look at this page!! http://www.airbrief.com/


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:39 am 
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Affordable Electronic Charts Finally Reach the Cockpit

Atlanta, Georgia - Instrument pilots have long had to deal with a frustrating problem - picking their way through stacks of approach charts during flight. EFB (electronic flight bag) applications have provided paperless flight for some time, but their high price tags put them out of reach for many pilots. The solution seems to have come from an unlikely source: Amazon's new generation of Kindle ebook readers, including their large-format Kindle DX.

Gold Seal, a Georgia-based publisher of pilot training multimedia products, seized the opportunity and developed a new product called AirBrief. Using the internet, the site delivers instrument approach charts, Airport/Facility Directories, and a number of other aviation documents, ready for use on the Kindle DX ebook reader. The device's screen has almost the exact same dimensions as an approach plate. Charts and A/FD pages appear on it full scale with an astonishing degree of clarity. Gold Seal is also developing support for the smaller original Kindle as well as other platforms.

Rob Resnik and Scott Yanke are representative of the dozens of pilots that have been involved in the new product's beta test. None had any affiliation with either Amazon or Gold Seal, and participated in the trial independently.

"The charts are full sized and look beautiful," said Resnik. "With the page index, it's two clicks and you have the approach plates for any airport in the country. Tremendous utility and I don't have to worry about charts blowing away when I open my vents on a hot day."

Scott Yanke reported, "For several years I've been looking for a way to replace 40 pounds of paper charts in the airplane. AirBrief on the Kindle DX seems to be the ultimate solution to this problem. It provides the perfect combination of size, readability, and battery life, and best of all with no panning or zooming needed."

While the Kindle DX allows users to copy their own .pdf files onto the device, a fundamental problem immediately appears with this technique - inability to quickly search for specific pages or charts.


"One solution is for people to make every approach a separate file on their Kindles," noted Gold Seal's technology chief, Paul Kiefert. "This works fine if you only want charts for a couple of airports. But if a pilot needs plates for several states, this quickly turns into thousands of files. It can be a real mess." AirBrief solves the problem by computing page indices that allow users to instantly jump to any airport in an A/FD or TERP volume.

In addition to providing current FAA charts and documents, AirBrief includes an on-demand component called LiveBrief. Kindle users will be able to request and receive books tailored to specific airports. These are defined by the user and can include any combination of A/FD information, current weather charts, airport diagrams, and approach plates.

"LiveBriefs are delivered straight to the pilot's Kindle in under two minutes," Kiefert said. "Because it uses the Kindle's built-in Whispernet access, pilots can get these almost anywhere in the country. No wifi connections needed."

Users may register at www.AirBrief.com for free. Access to all components of the service is free during an introductory period.

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For more information email: russell@goldsealflight.com

Gold Seal Ventures, LLC
460 Briscoe Blvd.
Gwinnett County Airport
Lawrenceville, GA 30045

www.GoldSealFlight.com


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wow.....that is cool.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:38 am 
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Beechluvr wrote:
wow.....that is cool.


Cool and a $1000 cheaper than the Jeppensen device. This one has downloads for VFR stuff too.

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Damn...that is so much nicer than having to flip thru ALL those "white" pages to find just one approach, then have the page flip back on you. It looks as if though there are some clips at the bottom. Yoke attachment?.... even sweeter.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:10 am 
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Beechluvr wrote:
Damn...that is so much nicer than having to flip thru ALL those "white" pages to find just one approach, then have the page flip back on you. It looks as if though there are some clips at the bottom. Yoke attachment?.... even sweeter.


it's an ebook reader- not designed for an airplane, we can't use it 135.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:19 am 
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Beechluvr wrote:
Damn...that is so much nicer than having to flip thru ALL those "white" pages to find just one approach, then have the page flip back on you. It looks as if though there are some clips at the bottom. Yoke attachment?.... even sweeter.


it's an ebook reader- not designed for an airplane, we can't use it 135.


It's been years since I flew 135, I think you can use it but must have a paper backup. No?

Is the Jeppesen device any different?
http://www.jeppesen.com/personal-soluti ... olidfx.jsp


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:21 am 
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fholbert wrote:
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Beechluvr wrote:
Damn...that is so much nicer than having to flip thru ALL those "white" pages to find just one approach, then have the page flip back on you. It looks as if though there are some clips at the bottom. Yoke attachment?.... even sweeter.


it's an ebook reader- not designed for an airplane, we can't use it 135.


It's been years since I flew 135, I think you can use it but must have a paper backup. No?

Is the Jeppesen device any different?
http://www.jeppesen.com/personal-soluti ... olidfx.jsp


Has to be hardwired, at least that's what I've been told


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:25 am 
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flyboy97222 wrote:
Has to be hardwired, at least that's what I've been told


Standby... Jeppesen's product isn't hard wired. For that matter either are paper charts.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:30 am 
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does the Kindle have Jepp or NOS? cause it'll be USA only can't get Latin America or South America


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does the Kindle have Jepp or NOS? cause it'll be USA only can't get Latin America or South America


If I was regularly flying my personal jet to South America I wouldn't be trying to save $1000 on the device now would I?


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fholbert wrote:
flyboy97222 wrote:
does the Kindle have Jepp or NOS? cause it'll be USA only can't get Latin America or South America


If I was regularly flying my personal jet to South America I wouldn't be trying to save $1000 on the device now would I?


HAHA! you haven't met the owners of my company. and for that matter why not?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 1:41 pm 
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For legal 135 use you need two independent displays w/ power back up for one.

The E-reader (kindle) is available from Amazon with there logo on it & is fro PDF NOS charts only. Jeppesen Chart View & Flightstar require a full computer (I use motion computings tablet) and work w/ XP & Vista(special order). Use caution in an unpressurized aircraft as the hard drives fail above 22k.


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Here is another cheap one that I know nothing about....

http://ifly.adventurepilot.com/Home.aspx


John in Saudi


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:29 pm 
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porterjet wrote:
Here is another cheap one that I know nothing about....

http://ifly.adventurepilot.com/Home.aspx


John in Saudi


I don't see where it holds approach plates.


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