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I thought of N18TM too, but it doesn't have the yellow stripe, just blue bottom with red stripe. Good guess though. Also though of N117TF, but not it either.

10 to 20 more inches tomorrow!

N620K is the blue bottom. One of Eastman Kodak's birds.

Have you ever seen the sign on I-880 south in Oakland CA that says "Porosity kills?"
It's likely the welds weren't NDT'd during inspection.

Looks like the inspector was afraid to walk steel. I'll bet they will find all kinds of issues with those four hangars.

anyone have data on when the hangers were built? that will come into play in any insurance investigation.

Answer below.

Well, they were probably insured by AIG and we all just bought a new fleet for Princess Polosi.

and those are clearly weld failures. Welds that were made at the plant/factory, not on site. They should have found those.

N620K I'd have too agree with that.

My friends Dad used to be CEO of Eastman Kodak, Canada - and they would always want to send the Gulfstream to take him to Rochester, but he hated flying, so he'd always drive!!!

As for the hangar, on Google Earth it hasn't been built yet!!!!

I think if I ran a multi Billion dollar business and operated a 50 million dollar leased biz jet - I'd be wanting a new one, not a used XRS with a new tail!!!!

The roof collapsed on three of the four hangars (Hangar A, B and C). The only hangar currently intact is Hangar D. I confirmed this when I drove by the facility tonight.

If that's true we are only seeing a third of the damage?

I think they are field welds. That's why this is there.

I've no idea of what bays are damaged, but the local fire department confirmed their are only a total of four aircraft damaged.

Dispatch Audio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5BE7xqZ ... r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBNE4EZ ... re=related

The below image is the correct orientation. You can see that where the steel broke the beam was designed and intended to support vertical load bearing. On top of the plate that broke holds the (my Dad told me the technical term which I've promptly forgotten) type flange, that the span beam is bolted to. It appears that at the opposite end of the span beam bolts sheared away from its vertical support flange, then causing the bending moment that tore the web and weld at the end of the flange in the photo. The vertical beam was never designed to be subjected to that kind of bending at the break point in the photo. What would be most interesting would be to see the point of failure at the other end.... I'll have to send my Dad some more of the pics for his take. He spent 30 years of his career as a structural steel inspector and quality assurance director for a very large steel fabrication company. He'll find this incident very intriguing.

A- Mark.

Everything is built as strong as it need be for reasonably anticipated loads, not as strong as it can be.

We could make that an A+ if my Dad was actually explaining it....


Yep, the point being "anticipated loads"...and the distribution of.

Hangar A roof collapsed first and then B and C collapsed later that morning. I know of another Global Express that was significanly damaged in Hangar C.

So here is a little background from my point of view. From the pics we can see, the GV is registered to Hilton Hotels, one Global is Kodak's, another is reportedly Sony's. I know that General Dynamics has one of those hangars leased out, not sure if it has been affected. Dulles Jet is owned by the Landow's who own and operate a large development company. They have insurance through both Travelers and AIG (now Chartis). From someone in the aviation insurance business, this is going to be a mess, especially with all of the big names involved.

Error on the Sony, not Sony's airplane, but Churchill Aviation LLC - not sure who they are. But big names Kodak and Hilton!!!

That's what I thought too rob, someone else said it so that's why I said "reportedly"...

I believe Churchill Aviation is part of Churchill Downs, Inc., the owner/operator of horse racing tracks across the U.S. and of various wagering related companies in the U.S. and Europe.

CDI has contracted with MicroStrategy, Inc., a provider of "business intelligence, data mining, financial analysis, etc...", which shares the same address as Churchill Aviation in McLean, VA. Could be that CDI has legal offices also located in the same complex.

I know that they keep the three Redskins private jets in one of the hangars that collapsed. One of their planes looks like it is in the photos posted. After talking to people at the airport they have not let anyone in but crews have arrived to start working on the building.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23349615@N ... 0/sizes/o/

Washington Redskins Global

fyi Rob, that link won't work without a yahoo account for some reason