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 Post subject: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:00 pm 
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As you know, once Singapore Airlines officially ceases nonstop operation to LAX, and EWR from SIN with their Airbus A340-500s, Qantas' SYD-DFW will the longest nonstop flight. But then, I realized that Qantas will be retiring their Boeing 747-400ERs by 2018, which the route is operated by. I honestly do not know the pax load of the roundtrip flight, but if it is popular, I bet they'd put the Airbus A380 in its place once retired. The A380 would have improved maximum take-off weight, thus providing a better payload/range performance by giving it an additional 190 km (100 nmi) in range.

When it comes to 2018, will Qantas continue operating to DFW with the improved A380 they plan on getting? Or unless the route isn't popular, will they cease nonstop operation like Singapore Airlines will be doing with LAX and EWR? Another idea might be using the Airbus A330-200 or -300 and make it via LAX?


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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:42 pm 
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AerospaceAirAviation wrote:
As you know, once Singapore Airlines officially ceases nonstop operation to LAX, and EWR from SIN with their Airbus A340-500s, Qantas' SYD-DFW will the longest nonstop flight. But then, I realized that Qantas will be retiring their Boeing 747-400ERs by 2018, which the route is operated by. I honestly do not know the pax load of the roundtrip flight, but if it is popular, I bet they'd put the Airbus A380 in its place once retired. The A380 would have improved maximum take-off weight, thus providing a better payload/range performance by giving it an additional 190 km (100 nmi) in range.

When it comes to 2018, will Qantas continue operating to DFW with the improved A380 they plan on getting? Or unless the route isn't popular, will they cease nonstop operation like Singapore Airlines will be doing with LAX and EWR? Another idea might be using the Airbus A330-200 or -300 and make it via LAX?


Right now, I don't know if they will stop the YSSY-KDFW-YBBN-YSSY route, mainly because of one thing: OneWorld. They pulled out of SFO pretty much so they could be in bed with their OneWorld partner in AAL. The question then becomes if this new A380 will have the same range, if not longer range than the B744ERs they are retiring, or if they will go with something else altogether (read: B787-10X, A350-9000/1000, etc.). We know that the B787 *might* have the range (COA/UAL were thinking it with their KIAH-NZAA run), so that could be an option.

Another thing to think about is if KDFW will be able to service the A380. If they can't accommodate, the A380 then is out of the question, and if QFA still wants to use it, then LAX, SFO, or IAH would be their options.

A third thing to think about: AAL/AWE merger. That could bring KPHX into play for this "world's longest route". Phoenix would still remain headquarters for AWE/AAL. If they wanted to do that, they could have both the longest and second longest route there, and bring the A380 back into play. Question there is if the A380 will fit on the bridge.

Right now, way too many unknowns here to guess. But there are a number of options.

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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:24 pm 
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They will probably wait until 2017-2018 to make that decision. A lot can change between now and then.


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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:20 pm 
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I can't see THE WORLD'S LONGEST FLIGHT involving PHX, some question whether Asia/Middle East service could be sustainable; but who knows. Anyway, couldn't QF just codeshare with AA on more LAX connections?


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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 11:21 am 
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DFW is connected to a lot more destinations on AA than LAX will ever be.


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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:17 pm 
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ccthorp wrote:
I can't see THE WORLD'S LONGEST FLIGHT involving PHX, some question whether Asia/Middle East service could be sustainable; but who knows. Anyway, couldn't QF just codeshare with AA on more LAX connections?


Note I said "Second longest" flight. The YSSY-KDFW run would remain in place. They could augment it by having the second longest, in say, KPHX-YMML or something similar. What that route would be, I don't know. But The AWE/AAL merger does open some things for QFA.

For example: QFA starts a YMML-KPHX route. Puts them at AWE/AAL's headquarters in KPHX. That connects them directly to a BAW KPHX-EGLL run, as BAW is also in OneWorld. Plus with it being AWE, that opens them up to everywhere that AWE flies to in Europe.

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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:08 pm 
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The American headquarters will be remaining in Dallas.

PHX currently has no flights outside North America except one BA flight to London. Somewhere like MEL would not be the next intercontinental route it would gain. The PHX-Australia market is far too small and the feed generated at PHX would be insufficient, especially among high yield pax.

Also, the timing on such a flight would likely not work well for the PHX-LHR BA flight.


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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:31 pm 
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Qantas does have several deferred A380s, they might be waiting for improvements before receiving them to replace the -400ERs. Using an A330 would likely require more A330s to be ordered and would represent a significant capacity decrease (if it remained at the current frequency).


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 Post subject: Re: Qantas' SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD Route
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:50 am 
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Just flew on QF 8 today from DFW-BNE, and the seats/IFE are the same as the A380, so an A380 on the route would simply be a capacity upgrade, unless they plan on introducing first on DFW flights. As for the popularity of the flight, economy was quite full however there were a few empty seats here and there, cannot really comment on how full business was, although I heard some people may have been upgraded and the boarding area didn't seem that full prior to getting on the aircraft. I'd say it would be highly unlikely Qantas would cease this route in the future, as it connects AA's main hub directly to Australia.


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