NWA 188: Asleep at the yoke?

[pika1000]

[cloudchaser67]

I guess I should rephrase that, if the DUI is received operating a motor vehicle does it need to be reported?

[JHEM]

Commercial Pilots who are convicted of DUI / DWI must report that conviction on his or her medical application at time of renewal. He or she must also notify the FAA Civil Security Division, at the following address ONLY:

FAA
Civil Action Security Division (AMC-700)
P.O. Box 25810
Oklahoma City, OK 73125

They must be notified no later than 60 days after the motor vehicle action. Contacting the local FAA FSDO, or the disclosure on the medical certificate, is not compliance under the rule. A pilot must also report any action taken on his driver's license that emanated from the drunk driving arrest, i.e., a suspension for either failing the breath / blood alcohol test or for refusing a test. This report, too, is made to the FAA Oklahoma Office Civil Security Division and must be made within 60 days of the suspension. In cases where a pilot suffers both a DUI / DWI conviction as well as an administrative license suspension that arose out of the same factual circumstances, he must timely report both of them to the Security Division or face a non-reporting violation. FAR 61.15 (d)

[wazzu90]

[cloudchaser67]

Thanks JHEM. The individual is a Part 135. Has had 2 one in a car and one operating a boat.
Enrolled in counseling and once that was completed supposedly removed from driving record.
Just concerns me how many other situations there are out there like this.
You spend big bucks for the counseling program and then no worries?
And the FAA knows nothing about it? Scary.

[Beechluvr]

You know... cant help but wonder since this incident, how many times during boarding some sapp of a passenger, and you know the ones i'm talking about, the know it all non-pilot smart asses, are poking thier heads in the cockpit saying some smart ass crap like "stay awake guys" or "no laptops in the cockpit boys" trying to be cute.

[cloudchaser67]

Kid you not, I was boarding an aircraft the other day and I head 3 people make similiar comments. I felt bad for the guys as I was one of the first groups to board and I am sure there more smart a** remarks to come.

[NeedleNose]

Can we now refer to NWA as "NORDO WEST"?

[Beechluvr]

I think I would be shutting the door to the cockpit right before they board. I dont have the patience to deal with the FOCKERS. Hence, why I'm not a commercial pilot. My hats off to you guys flying the line that are on here. The bulls&*% you have to endure. I would've been fired long ago in my 30s much less now for punching some whiny ass or telling a woman to bite me beeeotch! But thats just me.

[MeekRN]

in the begining of this thread it was sounding like missing ATC comms was normal im glad to see most agree the pilots were sleeping. This does not meam that anybody in this forum is a bad person. Yes im sure the aviation industry would rather this not be public knowledge but the public would rather their pilots were not sleeping at the yoke. i remember back in the day when the pilot would take a walk thru the isles shaking hands ( great PR). Wall mart says they have 30% less theft when they put an employee at their front door making eye contact with customers when they walk in the door. Hospitals have less litagation when the patients family meets the doctors nurses and even floor managers daily. its bad that a pilot sleeps, its worse that they lie about it, and its even worse when the pilots lies are swept under the carpet.

[MeekRN]

[dadalope]

[MeekRN]

I wonder if the outcome would be any differnet had they told the truth. But this way they take liability away from the airline (somewhat), which might pay dividends later.

[robbreid]

Nov 3/09 (AP) -- On Capitol Hill, lawmakers are moving to prohibit the use of computer laptops in airline cockpits.

The idea is to prevent another incident like the one in which a Northwest Airlines plane overshot Minneapolis by 150 miles.

Sen. Byron Dorgan, the chairman of the aviation subcommittee, says his staff is working on a bill that he expects to introduce in about a week.

Dorgan says the incident proves this sort of thing can happen and there ought to be a more clear understanding by everyone in the cockpit that they need to take it seriously.

Several other senators are expressing their support.

[WiserTime07]

[flyboy97222]

[MeekRN]

Im sure its hard to stay awake when you have the health and safety of hundereds of trusting individuals lifes in your hands. i only have 2 lifes in my hands when im at work, and im always on edge. The reason they fell asleep is because lap tops are NOT allowed to be used in cockpits. i dont care what my pilot is doing as long as he is awake.

now that cockpit doors are locked, are there ever any male and female pilot combinations? i have only ever seen man pilots. I think it would be fun to join the 5 mile high club in the cockpit, while getting paid, and the pax were sound asleep.

[Smerkbich]

[tyketto]

[MeekRN]

no im saying if you want to sleep on the job, dont do so with people whos lives are depending on you staying awake/alert/fit for duty. get a job in an office, or where you failing wont get someone killed.

[flyboy97222]

[MeekRN]

this is what happens when the pilots lie to cover up a error, they were sound asleep and are trying to use an excuse of using computers and got distracted. if a bill/law is passed its because the pilots lied not because the officials knee jerked. if the pilots dont lie, the officials dont knee jerk. if the pilots tell the truth maybe the law makers require pilots to make overt actions once a while, thats a much better knew jerk that the lying pilots are forcing the law makers to do.

[davysims]

[robbreid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieFk6yq74w

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