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coma24 Charter Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure why you took this abuse for 9+ hours. Don't take a 1 month break, you don't need it. You're not sick of flying, you're sick of this guy.
Even if you are not drawn to flying right now, I would suggest getting in the saddle, ASAP, with a new outfit. If you get absolutely no pleasure from the experience, then certainly, take a break and see if the spirit comes back, but my guess is that you'll enjoy it and will want to just keep on goin'. |
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NeedleNose FlightAware Member

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 2636 Location: KOKV
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Try AUGUSTA AVIATION at KDNL.
And please, do name names - instructor name, school name, etc. so that anyone who googles the information can readily find your story and avoid wasting their valuable time and money on this clown! |
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MeekRN FlightAware Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 377 Location: 0Q5
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| AugustaResident wrote: | | This is exactly what my Son said. | [/quote]
i take that as a complement. but serious, you do pay his salary, if you are not happy with the service, the best thing to do is move on, and dont recomend him to your friends. you can also take a more aggressive position, and stand on public property and picket him, but that will elicit some possibly unwanted attention from authorities.
but with so many good people in your life, why let the loser get all yoru attention, just move on. besides if you go to another instructor, maybe others have too and that bad CFI is helping the good CFI that you find.
i find that i gravitate to instructors that are not flexible or amiable, while some people like the touchy feely kinds of instructors, not just in aviation but in others fields of interest too. |
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MeekRN FlightAware Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 377 Location: 0Q5
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| and just as a word of encouragement, my instructor didn't tell me till i was over 10 hours that i had to start using the rudder pedals from now on. wow was that an eye opener. |
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ejericson FlightAware Member
Joined: 08 Jul 2009 Posts: 143 Location: KEUG
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| i solo'd at seven hours... |
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MeekRN FlightAware Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 377 Location: 0Q5
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| i spent my entire summer vacation between junior and senior year on a 63'long fishing boat in Coos Bay Oregon. I must have ate 5 pounds of Dungeness Crab a day. so fresh i didn't even need butter. Spent 3 weeks rewiring the boat, and a week rebuilding the 2 8-71 gimmy diesels. then spent 2 months fishing, i got to help cook, navigate, and pilot the boat. I was basically worthless to fish, as the tuna weighed almost as much as i did. Everyone slept in the bow where the beds were, but no room for me, so i had a hammock topside, it was so cool the boat rocking and rolling and i was always smooth. oh and being based on Oregon, there was plenty of herb, but i didn't partake in it. |
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flyboy97222 FlightAware Member

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 1310 Location: N26 11'56.06 W80 07'49.99
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| ejericson wrote: | | i solo'd at seven hours... |
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ejericson FlightAware Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| --bowing politely-- |
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FlyNYC FlightAware Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 1048 Location: Left field
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| MeekRN wrote: | | i spent my entire summer vacation between junior and senior year on a 63'long fishing boat in Coos Bay Oregon. I must have ate 5 pounds of Dungeness Crab a day. so fresh i didn't even need butter. Spent 3 weeks rewiring the boat, and a week rebuilding the 2 8-71 gimmy diesels. then spent 2 months fishing, i got to help cook, navigate, and pilot the boat. I was basically worthless to fish, as the tuna weighed almost as much as i did. Everyone slept in the bow where the beds were, but no room for me, so i had a hammock topside, it was so cool the boat rocking and rolling and i was always smooth. oh and being based on Oregon, there was plenty of herb, but i didn't partake in it. |
Anyone else here convinced that MeekRN has gotten into the narcotics box?????? Seriously dude, have you just completely lost it? |
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Beechluvr FlightAware Member

Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 434 Location: KHRO
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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leave him alone...your being insensitive to his needs. |
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ejericson FlightAware Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to agree, He's jumping back and forth to random places, things that are completely irrelivent to the subjuect. Is everything okay MEEK,
we're worried about you... |
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pika1000 Charter Member

Joined: 01 Nov 2005 Posts: 2108 Location: KTUL/KRVS via BFL/MIT
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ejericson wrote: | I'd have to agree, He's jumping back and forth to random places, things that are completely irrelivent to the subjuect. Is everything okay MEEK,
we're worried about you... |
Don't forget he actually answered himself on another thread. |
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NeedleNose FlightAware Member

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 2636 Location: KOKV
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| FlyNYC wrote: | | Anyone else here convinced that MeekRN has gotten into the narcotics box?????? Seriously dude, have you just completely lost it? |
I'm thinkin' quite the opposite. I think he's "gone off his meds" and needs to get back on 'em! |
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FlyNYC FlightAware Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 1048 Location: Left field
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Beechluvr wrote: | leave him alone...your being insensitive to his needs. |
"Penguins are so sensitive to my needs..."
That's my MeekRN post of the day. |
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Beechluvr FlightAware Member

Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 434 Location: KHRO
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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As is Ben-gay in ones private areas.... |
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WiserTime07 FlightAware Member
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 268 Location: KLRO
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| No offense to Meek, but I think he may have the FA forums confused with the "Recalling Not-So-Interesting Stories From My Youth" Forum |
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lieberma Charter Member

Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 3977 Location: KMBO - Sundowner N1943L
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Hypersonic1 wrote: | | All CFIs can fly. Fewer CFIs can teach. Make your focus for a new instructor on the teaching end. You'll end up a better pilot. |
Well stated.
Hopefully the original poster will take the advice to heart and run, not walk to the next CFI.
Good news is that the hours "do not expire" on the journey to getting the PPL should he undertake that task. Maybe just an hour or two flight time setback to prove to the new instructor he has progressed to where he is, but in the full scheme of things, very small expense to pay,. |
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AugustaResident
Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 32
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I talked, at length (face to face) to the chief CFI at another local flight school today. He offered a list of past and present students that I could contact if I wanted. I told him my situation and to my surprise, he said he knows of at least a dozen or more that have left that school because of the same reason. He offered an hour or so behind the controls for the cost of fuel only to see experience his teaching style. There are 3 full time and 2 part time CFI's at my disposal. I can pick and choose as I understand it.
The planes are FBO owned and get this, I can go between a couple of late model 172's, a 182 Skylane Glass Cockpit, and a Piper Arrow complex, as much as I want. The only catch is the upcharge which is minimal for the air time which is no problem. Each plane has GPS which at the other school was a no no. Could not even carry a portable in "his" airplane. Did not believe in GPS or Glass panels not that I cared but I hate to hear someone talk down about technology. I fully understand the need to know mechanical instruments and that's what I wanted to do. The glass thing could be something later on if I wanted to but the GPS thing, I don't get.
Like I eluded to earlier, I had the wind knocked out of me when it came to flying BUT....I feel better about this after reading all the replies and I appreciate the words of encouragment from each of you. Even the chocolate factory reply...LOL
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lieberma Charter Member

Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 3977 Location: KMBO - Sundowner N1943L
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| AugustaResident wrote: | I talked, at length (face to face) to the chief CFI at another local flight school today. He offered a list of past and present students that I could contact if I wanted. I told him my situation and to my surprise, he said he knows of at least a dozen or more that have left that school because of the same reason. He offered an hour or so behind the controls for the cost of fuel only to see experience his teaching style. There are 3 full time and 2 part time CFI's at my disposal. I can pick and choose as I understand it.
The planes are FBO owned and get this, I can go between a couple of late model 172's, a 180 Skylane Glass Cockpit, and a Piper Arrow complex, as much as I want. The only catch is the upcharge which is minimal for the air time which is no problem. Each plane has GPS which at the other school was a no no. Could not even carry a portable in "his" airplane. Did not believe in GPS or Glass panels not that I cared but I hate to hear someone talk down about technology. I fully understand the need to know mechanical instruments and that's what I wanted to do. The glass thing could be something later on if I wanted to but the GPS thing, I don't get.
Like I eluded to earlier, I had the wind knocked out of me when it came to flying BUT....I feel better about this after reading all the replies and I appreciate the words of encouragment from each of you. Even the chocolate factory reply...LOL |
Very, very cool to hear! Hope you get back in the saddle sooner then later.
I think like you, training needs to come up to speed with regards to GPS's, but you will find out, there are quite a few planes without GPS's installed.
Something to consider, The navigation maps are ground based (I.E VOR based for the most part), thus the importance of knowing the non GPS methods especially should your hand held GPS battery ghost up at the most inopportune time. |
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MeekRN FlightAware Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 377 Location: 0Q5
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ejericson wrote: | I'd have to agree, He's jumping back and forth to random places, things that are completely irrelivent to the subjuect. Is everything okay MEEK,
we're worried about you... |
your from Oregon, i was relating to where your from thats all. if you were from Buffalo, i would have no reference cause i have never been there. |
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MeekRN FlightAware Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 377 Location: 0Q5
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Beechluvr wrote: | leave him alone...your being insensitive to his needs. |
thanks beach, funny thing about arkansas...
i was in the Navy on submarines back in the 80's and my best friend on the sub was from bee branch arkansas. when i got out of the navy he started driving semi trucks for a living, and i worked at a nuke plant in arizona. several times he would visit when on this side of the country. I just reciently moved and found a box of junk that i had in storage and it was from when i got out of the military. In there was an old Navy rain coat with my buddies name and ssn stenciled on the inside, i contacted him after not talking to him for over 20 years now. he has 4 kids and the oldest is joining the navy for subs too. anyway i just got back from UPS shipping him his rain coat back to him, now used/worn/washed for over 20 years. oh he lives in Morrilton, AR 72110 now, but weird. tracking number if you want to follow along... 1z3f84x90364828764
i also went to the best halloween party i ever. they had these 20 minute long versions of Bob Segar songs, someone that was part of the silver bullet band was at the party. Except for clinton, i have only good things to say about arkansas. |
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Beechluvr FlightAware Member

Joined: 17 Aug 2009 Posts: 434 Location: KHRO
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:16 am Post subject: |
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OK Now that says it all (I'm stereotyping) you're a submariner, (a bubble head) we (us airdales working the flight deck of birdfarms) would catch a glimpse of you guys coming up for air on our port side to have your mail dropped off by one of our helos. We couldnt help but wonder if you guys were wierd after being locked in a metal cigar hundreds of feet underwater. Or if you guys started to glow from all that radiation water you guys would drink. Sorry couldnt help myself after all of your recent posts. And whats up with that avatar..... strange man.... |
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AugustaResident
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: |
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lieberma, In the ground school I was already in the maps and plotting. No GPS in any of the planes he had there and he went as far as saying they should be banned from the cockpit of any GA airplane. The guy was very anti technology as he said from the get go when I mentioned that I had a VFR Communications interactive DVD. He went on the 10 minute speech (on my dime) about how computers have ruined this, taken over that..... you know.
OK, enough about the former CFI, although I won't soon forget that fiasco, it is water under the bridge and I am looking forward to continuing my training with the hope of seeing smiling faces and beautiful places. I will say that I am halfway tempted to call his hand on the master switch and the check valve issues. I just don't know where to start. I mean, I get screamed at for being less than 1 foot off center line on my 6th landing on the controls and he says an intermitting switch is ok? There I go again......... Sorry.
I looked at the 172's and the 182 today. Now this is the first I have seen with this style gps but the 172's have what looks like a radio but it is a gps. Also they have Garmin 496 (Ithink that is right) mounted in them. The 182 has a glass panel and the gps I was told is built into it. I saw the Arrow but it was partially covered by a sun shield and I did not ask him to open it up. One thing I did notice was the 182 has a three blade prop and another 182 that was sitting beside it has a two blade. Also tied down near the school planes was the coolest looking Piper Malibu. WOW what a sleek plane.
I decided to take the chief CFI up on his offer and have blocked Friday morning to go flying for 2 hours. I can see how he teaches/flies and he can see what I have learned to date. I am pretty solid on the S turns, turning around a point, steep turns (could use a little work) and stalls. I have been taking off and landing on the controls myself for the last 5 cycles. I have not been on the radio much. Only on the ground no night flight experience yet.
Again, thank you guys for posting and I'll keep every updated on how this is going.
As a side not, I aked the CFI if my cheap David Clark H10-60 were allowed in his planes and he just laughed.  |
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MeekRN FlightAware Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2008 Posts: 377 Location: 0Q5
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Beechluvr wrote: | OK Now that says it all (I'm stereotyping) you're a submariner, (a bubble head) we (us airdales working the flight deck of birdfarms) would catch a glimpse of you guys coming up for air on our port side to have your mail dropped off by one of our helos. We couldnt help but wonder if you guys were wierd after being locked in a metal cigar hundreds of feet underwater. Or if you guys started to glow from all that radiation water you guys would drink. Sorry couldnt help myself after all of your recent posts. And whats up with that avatar..... strange man.... |
lol thats not the half of it. i take nothing serious on the net, so no problems. i find 000000.000000% of anything anybody says as offensive.
I think your talking about a boomer sub (balistic missle sub) cause we never got mail. we got telegrams (3 per sailor, per year) and they came in thru our antenna.
oh the photo is my daughter, its her Parole ID card photo, its the only picture i have of her. |
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flyboy97222 FlightAware Member

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm happy you have found a new CFI and FBO, but as a seasoned pilot while flying VFR PLEASE don't use the GPS. use your eyes, use pilotage.
that fancy glass cockpit is for the big dogs that fly IFR and will only be looking INSIDE where ATC will provide aircraft separation. as a VFR pilot you will need to have your eyes outside 99.9% of the time. the other .1% will be looking at your Altitude, airspeed and heading.
Keep you eyes outside. |
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